Is ISIS a disaster for all muslims?

[YmirGF]

Personally, I think IS is doing the world and humanity a huge favor. It is lifting the veil so that we get to see the darker side of Islam on the warpath.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Personally, I think IS is doing the world and humanity a huge favor. It is lifting the veil so that we get to see the darker side of Islam on the warpath.

Right, same with 9/11 and other Islamist atrocities, it's almost as if God is allowing us to see the true face of Islam-

"He reveals the deep things of darkness
and brings utter darkness into the light" (Job 12:22)

 

[metis]

Just a reminder that Islam is not monolithic, so we really shouldn't be blaming all or most Muslims for the atrocities being regularly committed by the more radical elements.

 

[outhouse]

Just a reminder that Islam is not monolithic, so we really shouldn't be blaming all or most Muslims for the atrocities being regularly committed by the more radical elements.

Can you say with certainty that the required fanaticism due to literalism forcing followers away from reality, does not breed terrorism and barbaric and primitive behavior, combined with text that is hard to understand for the brightest scholars, to the point some passages make no sense at all, that does in fact feed sectarianism?

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Many British mosques are recruitment centres for ISIS; the mosque leaders and congregations are even having whiprounds to pay their air fares to the mideast.
Needless to say, our pol-correct government and coppers don't have the guts to stop it because mosques are a no-go area..

News item- "Networks of radicals are re-emerging in British mosques and elsewhere to encourage and facilitate Muslims wanting to travel to Syria and Iraq to fight for Islamic State.."

Isis recruitment moves from online networks to British mosques | World news | The Guardian

 

[metis]

Many British mosques are recruitment centres for ISIS; the mosque leaders and congregations are even having whiprounds to pay their air fares to the mideast.
Needless to say, our pol-correct government and coppers don't have the guts to stop it because mosques are a no-go area..

News item- "Networks of radicals are re-emerging in British mosques and elsewhere to encourage and facilitate Muslims wanting to travel to Syria and Iraq to fight for Islamic State.."

Isis recruitment moves from online networks to British mosques | World news | The Guardian

Imams, like other Muslims, are not all the same either. Some are quite radical, but fortunately most seem not to be. From what I have heard from some Brits is that there are more proportionally radicalized Muslims in the U.K. than across the pond.

 

[sojourner]

Imams, like other Muslims, are not all the same either. Some are quite radical, but fortunately most seem not to be. From what I have heard from some Brits is that there are more proportionally radicalized Muslims in the U.K. than across the pond.

So, you're from Detroit. What's the dealio with all this sharia law crapola going on in Dearborn? Any truth to it? I ran across this link that looks pretty darn scary, but don't know if it's reliable:

CHRISTIANS WIN BIG LAWSUIT AGAINST MUSLIM THUGS IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN! |

 

[metis]

So, you're from Detroit. What's the dealio with all this sharia law crapola going on in Dearborn? Any truth to it? I ran across this link that looks pretty darn scary, but don't know if it's reliable:

CHRISTIANS WIN BIG LAWSUIT AGAINST MUSLIM THUGS IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN! |

No, there is no shari'a law in Dearborn nor anywhere else in the States since local communities establish their own laws and Dearborn only has a minority of Muslims. It would be unconstitutional for any community, state, or the national government to implement shari'a since it would violate the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment.

 

[suncowiam]

If you don't look at one instance in time, but look at the history of various religions that have a strong tie to God. Then ISIS is no different to those other religions with a longer history. It's just in an earlier phase.

It's like saying US has less polution than China. It sure does right now. And China will argue that US went through the same period so why can't China do it now to evolve itself?

I'm just saying to look at the whole context...

 

[outhouse]

It's like saying US has less polution than China. It sure does right now. And China will argue that US went through the same period so why can't China do it now to evolve itself?

I'm just saying to look at the whole context...

Were #2 as it stands, not good. And we were number #1


But yes the problem needs to be addressed not ignored.

 

[suncowiam]

Were #2 as it stands, not good. And we were number #1


But yes the problem needs to be addressed not ignored.

Definitely shouldn't be ignored but please look at the whole picture is what I'm trying to say.

Every religion, state, organization... has a blemish. How did it evolve from the blemish?

 

[outhouse]

Definitely shouldn't be ignored but please look at the whole picture is what I'm trying to say.

Every religion, state, organization... has a blemish. How did it evolve from the blemish?

Primitive tribal people often pervert religion more so then civilized nations.

But that does not represent muslims as a whole.


People placing religion before reality due to required fanaticism due to literal interpretation is my guess.

 

[suncowiam]

I agree, I don't think it represents Muslim as a whole. So suggesting that "ISIS is a distaster for ALL Muslims?" is simply unfair to even ask.

Well, my answer is no. Break it down further and you should be able to find differences. I agree with one being fanaticism.

To my knowledge other Muslim leaders from Egypt and other countries are denouncing the ISIS.

 

[YmirGF]

To my knowledge other Muslim leaders from Egypt and other countries are denouncing the ISIS.

Because they are letting the cat out of the bag. Can't have that now, can we?

 

[suncowiam]

Because they are letting the cat out of the bag. Can't have that now, can we?

You could be right. It could be a political defensive guesture.

But you could also be wrong.

There's one thing to just spew out words, but do we know if Egypt is assisting ISIS? What other Muslim organizations do we know is actively supporting (funding, training, assisting) the ISIS?

I'm asking cause I really don't know.

 

[outhouse]

I agree, I don't think it represents Muslim as a whole. So suggesting that "ISIS is a distaster for ALL Muslims?" is simply unfair to even ask.

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Not really. islam breeds terrorism.

Why is however up for debate.


Its my opinion, it is due too required literalism that amounts to fanaticism.


When people are required to place mythology and faith before reality, going a hair more into terrorism is not so hard. Anything could strike the small step away from the average muslim, like poverty and or hunger.

 

[outhouse]

There's one thing to just spew out words, but do we know if Egypt is assisting ISIS? What other Muslim organizations do we know is actively supporting (funding, training, assisting) the ISIS?

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The Syrian people have been fighting this on two fronts, one from the Syrian regime Assad feeding them

They were explaining this last night on John Stewart

America's Allies Are Funding ISIS - The Daily Beast

wealthy individuals in the Arab Gulf States of Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Sometimes the support came with the tacit nod of approval from those regimes;

I don't know if this is even credible JS was.

 

[suncowiam]

Not really. islam breeds terrorism.

Why is however up for debate.


Its my opinion, it is due too required literalism that amounts to fanaticism.


When people are required to place mythology and faith before reality, going a hair more into terrorism is not so hard. Anything could strike the small step away from the average muslim, like poverty and or hunger.

Your assertions have huge impact here.

There are many that place "mythology and faith" in great esteem in the US. They're not going to war here.

Morals aside, poverty and hunger is a reason to strike when your quality of life or even life is at risk. That's the same as poor neighborhoods with a higher crime rate. Now, I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying that doesn't specifically attribute to Muslims. It attributes to the extreme poor conditions.

 

[outhouse]

Your assertions have huge impact here. .

Thank isis for waking us up to the real problem here.

There are many that place "mythology and faith" in great esteem in the US. They're not going to war here.

We are the country at war the most often lol But I will stay in context


Lesser amounts of literalist. ASlso Christian literalist don't have a book that is vague and has passages saying kill the infidel.

Also less people here that are hungry or living in primitive conditions


The problem is dynamic, and what is fueling it needs to be addressed

Now, I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying that doesn't specifically attribute to Muslims.

Sure it does, they are not part of democratic societies. They don't get to protest with positive results



Why do they breed the most terrorism and extremism?

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..From what I have heard from some Brits is that there are more proportionally radicalized Muslims in the U.K. than across the pond.

There are almost 3 million muslims in Britain, many in drab old run-down inner-city areas and factories, so it's easy to see why young muslims regard ISIS as a way out to live glamorous lives fighting the infidels..