Is Islam Responsible for the Charlie Hebdo Murders?

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The OP does not blame Islam for anything. It is merely asking the question whether Islamic teachings pushed the murderers to take lives as a result of what they considered to be insults of Muhammad. Do you not think this is true? If not, why not?

I dont agree. The cartoonists lived in France, secondly no muslim is allowed to go around be judge and executioner same time.

If they said: did deviant ideology cause this killing, i would say yes.
It is deviant ideology that also kills muslims(suicideattacks).


To say the islamic beliefs which i believe in caused this killing is very wrong.
There are many sects within Islam. To blame them all is unjustified.

 

[leibowde84]

Hitler killed 6 millions Jews because ?

Westerns killed each other in WW1 and WW2 , about 60 millions .

genocide the origin habits of North America and Australia .

Most of the World were occupated by Chrisitian(were less athiests) last 60 years .

involved of West in Iraq and Libya and Syria ...etc

What on earth does this have to do with the original post? This is what frustrates people so much. The question is whether Islamic teachings influenced the murderers in this specific case. You, instead of even addressing the question, jump to pointing out how Islam is not the only religion where followers have been violent criminals. This is not being argued against, as this is common knowledge. It certainly is not being discussed on this post.

If you do not think that Islamic teachings had anything to do with the murders at Charlie Hebdo, please explain why. But, at least try to participate in the conversation.

 

[DawudTalut]

The question was whether Islamic Ideology caused these barbaric murders. I think that if you asked those who committed these crimes what their motivation was, they would probably tell you it had at least something to do with disrespect toward Muhammad. If this is the case, then the answer to the OP question has to be yes.

Abuse of idea of freedom by CH.
Abuse and misunderstanding of Islamic ideology.
Any ideology can be misused.

 

[leibowde84]

I dont agree. The cartoonists lived in France, secondly no muslim is allowed to go around be judge and executioner same time.

If they said: did deviant ideology cause this killing, i would say yes.
It is deviant ideology that also kills muslims(suicideattacks).


To say the islamic beliefs which i believe in caused this killing is very wrong.
There are many sects within Islam. To blame them all is unjustified.

That's just it. He isn't blaming them all. He asked whether Islamic teachings (which signifies "did any of the many Islamic teachings expressed in Islamic Scriptures") pushed the murderers to kill. He did not ask whether Islam, in general, was responsible. He asked about specific Islamic teachings/traditions of thought.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

That's just it. He isn't blaming them all. He asked whether Islamic teachings (which signifies "did any of the many Islamic teachings expressed in Islamic Scriptures") pushed the murderers to kill. He did not ask whether Islam, in general, was responsible. He asked about specific Islamic teachings/traditions of thought.

Corrupted deviant ideology that perverts the islamic beliefs exist today. No one is denying that to behonest. The deviant groups are killing muslims too.

The problem is when people accuse islam of charlie hebdo attacks. They are not really helpful of the situation, only making it worse.

The title is evidence that some people accuse islam of charlie hebdo and every other attacks.
Maybe the title should be changed to:Are Deviant groups behind Charlie Hebdo? Answer will be 100% Yes.

 

[Looncall]

Corrupted deviant ideology that perverts the islamic beliefs exist today. No one is denying that to behonest. The deviant groups are killing muslims too.

The problem is when people accuse islam of charlie hebdo attacks. They are not really helpful of the situation, only making it worse.

The title is evidence that some people accuse islam of charlie hebdo and every other attacks.
Maybe the title should be changed to:Are Deviant groups behind Charlie Hebdo? Answer will be 100% Yes.

Do you think that what you call deviant groups justify their actions using muslim scriptures?

 

[gsa]

Corrupted deviant ideology that perverts the islamic beliefs exist today. No one is denying that to behonest. The deviant groups are killing muslims too.

The problem is when people accuse islam of charlie hebdo attacks. They are not really helpful of the situation, only making it worse.

The title is evidence that some people accuse islam of charlie hebdo and every other attacks.
Maybe the title should be changed to:Are Deviant groups behind Charlie Hebdo? Answer will be 100% Yes.

How much of a deviation is it if the killings were, for example, carried out by agents of the Islamic State? You yourself have argued that apostates are justifiably executed by Islamic states. Is it acceptable for an Islamic state to execute people who defame the prophet?

 

[gsa]

LOL. It's because it is an extremely interesting and relevant subject. This topic needs to be discussed in open forums without anyone pulling the "satan card." It is immature to dismiss arguments that you do not agree with by assuming that they are the work of a supernatural, evil force. There are many good-hearted, intelligent people that want to discuss this issue, as it is hard for many to understand why an insult towards a historical figure would cause so much outrage. I, for one, want to understand the issue from your side, and I'm ready and willing to learn. But, with attitudes like yours, no progress will ever be made between religious traditions.

Although from the perspective of true believers, openly questioning the belief systems is, in some sense, Satanic. I grew up next to Christian fundamentalists who believed essentially the same thing.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Do you think that what you call deviant groups justify their actions using muslim scriptures?

They misinterpret quran verses and hadiths to back their crimes. Perhaps they believe what they do is justified in quran and hadiths, which is not the case really.

 

[leibowde84]

Abuse of idea of freedom by CH.
Abuse and misunderstanding of Islamic ideology.
Any ideology can be misused.

I would argue that Charlie Hebdo was not at fault, whatsoever. They are a satirical magazine that blatantly and frequently pokes fun at all religions. They do not believe that cartoons of Muhammad are a bad thing. That is a subjective belief held by Muslims. So, the cartoonists have no reason to think that drawing pictures of Muhammad is "wrong."

If you think that non-Muslims should adhere to Islamic law when it comes to pictures of your prophet, it is literally demanding that non-Muslims follow the rules of Islam. I am a Christian, and I would wholheartedly fight for your right to poke fun at Jesus or God. If there is one thing that we do know for certain, God is the last entity that needs our help in defending his name. To ask that we expect violent reactions to cartoons, no matter how vile/disgusting/inappropriate they are, is to lay down and surrender to psychopaths. And, like you have stated, the murderers were not honorable in their acts, so I think that Islam in general should not be part of this discussion, but certain aspects of the faith seem to be fair game.

 

[NoX]

They misinterpret quran verses and hadiths to back their crimes. Perhaps they believe what they do is justified in quran and hadiths, which is not the case really.

or they have been told that "if you wont do that we are gonna kill all your family members one by one" by someones or they have been told that "if you will do that, we are going to pay 5 million to your family."

There is no limits for scenarios

 

[gsa]

They misinterpret quran verses and hadiths to back their crimes. Perhaps they believe what they do is justified in quran and hadiths, which is not the case really.

Bernard Haykel, a Professor of Near Eastern studies at Princeton University, disagrees:

He says that they are selectively using the most violent texts and applying a literal interpretation, and that they are a minority group, but he certainly doesn't call them "un-Islamic."

 

[leibowde84]

Corrupted deviant ideology that perverts the islamic beliefs exist today. No one is denying that to behonest. The deviant groups are killing muslims too.

The problem is when people accuse islam of charlie hebdo attacks. They are not really helpful of the situation, only making it worse.

The title is evidence that some people accuse islam of charlie hebdo and every other attacks.
Maybe the title should be changed to:Are Deviant groups behind Charlie Hebdo? Answer will be 100% Yes.

I was a little put off by the title of this forum as well. But, the question actually asked inside the forum was this:

Was Charlie Hebdo a target because of Islamic ideology?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Bernard Haykel, a Professor of Near Eastern studies at Princeton University, disagrees:

He says that they are selectively using the most violent texts and applying a literal interpretation, and that they are a minority group, but he certainly doesn't call them "un-Islamic."

They apply the jihad verses against muslims. Look at isis, they fight muslims but run away from the kuffar or avoid them(israel). 99,9999% of the people which they fight are muslims.
And that is the characteristic of khawarij, which is fighting muslims and leaving kuffar.

 

[gsa]

I was a little put off by the title of this forum as well. But, the question actually asked inside the forum was this:

Was Charlie Hebdo a target because of Islamic ideology?

The reason for the title is because Dan Arel's article is titled "Islam is responsible for the attack on Charlie Hebdo"

 

[gsa]

They apply the jihad verses against muslims. Look at isis, they fight muslims but run away from the kuffar or avoid them(israel). 99,9999% of the people which they fight are muslims.
And that is the characteristic of khawarij, which is fighting muslims and leaving kuffar.

Yes, they are certainly attacking self-identified Muslims. But of course, they accuse them of being apostates and they cite Islamic jurists and opinions on apostasy in order to justify their designation of those Muslims as being "un-Islamic."

Very similar to what Protestants and Catholics used to do to one another.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I was a little put off by the title of this forum as well. But, the question actually asked inside the forum was this:

Was Charlie Hebdo a target because of Islamic ideology?

There is no doubt that since the killing of Ali r.a, there has been a evil ideology called khawarij that kills muslims and also some non-muslims.

 

[leibowde84]

Although from the perspective of true believers, openly questioning the belief systems is, in some sense, Satanic. I grew up next to Christian fundamentalists who believed essentially the same thing.

If you truly believe that questioning a system of beliefs in regards to it's authenticity/truth is "satanic", you are part of the problem. This insanity is causing a lot of trouble with people who hold their beliefs close to their chest. It is something that, as a global society, we will have to get over. We should all welcome all to challenge our beliefs. If we cannot beat these challenges, we should reconsider our beliefs. Simple as that.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Yes, they are certainly attacking self-identified Muslims. But of course, they accuse them of being apostates and they cite Islamic jurists and opinions on apostasy in order to justify their designation of those Muslims as being "un-Islamic."

Very similar to what Protestants and Catholics used to do to one another.

That is what we call Takfiiris. They throw out muslims from islam, to justify their killings.

The Salaf always advised people to be patient with their rulers and to obey them.

 

[Flankerl]

But this is just a trolling topic something also was discussed many times in different topics is being opened again and again and again, because the purpose is not innocent

Funny story I kinda know another topic where its exactly the same.