Is Islamic faith reasonable.

[F0uad]

If Christianity and Islam are both built on falsehood then I would certainly agree that it would be hypocritical for a member of one faith to try to correct the other. If one is built on truth and the other falsehood then the person who follows truth owes it to his fellow man to speak the truth.

Both think they are ''Truth'' so your logic escapes me... ever read the OT? if so i would reconsider your first post.

 

[FearGod]

The Qur'an, Hadiths and Islamic tradition of the so-called Night Journey on a divine steed - Buraq, where Muhammad was said to travel to the "farthest mosque", usually identified as Jerusalem, before his ascent to heavens - all in a single night.

Some people Muslims believed this was actual physical journey, but how do you prove such "revelation" or journey took place, eselam?

Do you want more? I've got dozens, but I will pass them one at the time. So answer this one about the Night Journey.

Yes,it is hard to believe a night journey,but it is easy to believe that a small seed become a huge tree,because we can see it.

Yes,it is hard to believe a night journey,but easy to believe that an unseen sperm become a huge living wise human,because we can see it.

 

[beerisit]

Yes,it is hard to believe a night journey,but it is easy to believe that a small seed become a huge tree,because we can see it.

Yes,it is hard to believe a night journey,but easy to believe that an unseen sperm become a huge living wise human,because we can see it.

So I guess you agree that the alleged night journey didn't happen.

 

[Revoltingest]

How it is reasonable to believe in a religion began by a man who.....

That was enuf to answer the question right there. No religion is reasonable (although some are less so than others).
It's inherent in believing inerrant absolute truths which cannot be objectively verified. But this is not meant to be a
criticism of believers as "unreasonable", for all people (including us heathens) are unreasonable in many of our beliefs.
Tis the human condition. So when I point out that you believe in a loopy religion, you may point out that I believe in
loopy things too. Criminy! I bought commercial real estate in Michigan in the 1990s. How dumb was that?!?

 

[gnostic]

Yes,it is hard to believe a night journey,but it is easy to believe that a small seed become a huge tree,because we can see it.

Yes,it is hard to believe a night journey,but easy to believe that an unseen sperm become a huge living wise human,because we can see it.

I don't see the connection between reality and Muhammad's night journey.

 

[1robin]

I am glad to see this thread finally got on track more or less. I thank everyone for their input, as I promised not to debate the points so no one would think I started this thread just to attack Islam I will have limited input at least in this thread.
Thanks again and God Bless

 

[FearGod]

I don't see the connection between reality and Muhammad's night journey.

What is the story of the journey ? why it is far from reality ?

Please inform us the story with your sources from the quran.

 

[F0uad]

I am glad to see this thread finally got on track more or less. I thank everyone for their input, as I promised not to debate the points so no one would think I started this thread just to attack Islam I will have limited input at least in this thread.
Thanks again and God Bless

I have a question have you ever read the Old-testament and if so don't you find it hypocrisy to judge someone's religion when your ''Holy-book'' has ''Worse'' things mentioned in it?


Back to the subject: I still did not have seen a Authentic Hadith being quoted or shown any ''Evidence'' please people consider this, you can only talk about history if you have Historical Evidence or ''Authentic Hadiths'' atleast to support the claims you make.

 

[beerisit]

I have a question have you ever read the Old-testament and if so don't you find it hypocrisy to judge someone's religion when your ''Holy-book'' has ''Worse'' things mentioned in it?


Back to the subject: I still did not have seen a Authentic Hadith being quoted or shown any ''Evidence'' please people consider this, you can only talk about history if you have Historical Evidence or ''Authentic Hadiths'' atleast to support the claims you make.

Why do you think that being the lesser of two evils makes you good? I don't get that.

 

[F0uad]

Why do you think that being the lesser of two evils makes you good? I don't get that.

I never did but where is the evil of my religion and don't you find it weird someone is judging someone else when he himself has ''the evil''?

 

[beerisit]

I never did but where is the evil of my religion and don't you find it weird someone is judging someone else when he himself has ''the evil''?

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have you ever read the Old-testament and if so don't you find it hypocrisy to judge someone's religion when your ''Holy-book'' has ''Worse'' things mentioned in it?

what do you mean by "he himself has "the evil"?"

 

[F0uad]

here

what do you mean by "he himself has "the evil"?"

Can you at-least use some reason and logic in your posts i have seen you post some absurd message's that do not make sense at all.

You said ''How does two evils make one good'' or something like that.

I replied by saying the OP was the one who was making claims that there is ''evil'' in someone's religion while hes own religion preaches it do you understand the ''evil'' part now?

 

[cledussnow]

Let's eliminate EVERY point in the thread so far excpet one question.

How can Islam be backed by Allah, yet lose every fight to a puny little Jewish nation?
It would seem obvious that the TRUE God was on Israel's side and NOT Islam, wouldn't it?
Otherwise Islam would be victorious far more often. Wouldn't they?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

How can Islam be backed by Allah, yet lose every fight to a puny little Jewish nation?
It would seem obvious that the TRUE God was on Israel's side and NOT Islam, wouldn't it?
Otherwise Islam would be victorious far more often. Wouldn't they?

Don't be silly.

 

[beerisit]

Let's eliminate EVERY point in the thread so far excpet one question.

How can Islam be backed by Allah, yet lose every fight to a puny little Jewish nation?
It would seem obvious that the TRUE God was on Israel's side and NOT Islam, wouldn't it?
Otherwise Islam would be victorious far more often. Wouldn't they?

Sorry mods
What a ******.

 

[cledussnow]

Sorry mods
What a ******.

Why on earth would an Atheist even care one way or another?

Aren't we all delusional and wrong?

 

[beerisit]

Why on earth would an Atheist even care one way or another?

Aren't we all delusional and wrong?

Yes but I don't have a need to attack beliefs that disagree with mine. I'm happy to discuss them, I just don't think it enhances your position to ridicule. But then I'm a human being.

 

[Gharib]

The Qur'an, Hadiths and Islamic tradition of the so-called Night Journey on a divine steed - Buraq, where Muhammad was said to travel to the "farthest mosque", usually identified as Jerusalem, before his ascent to heavens - all in a single night.

Some people Muslims believed this was actual physical journey, but how do you prove such "revelation" or journey took place, eselam?

Do you want more? I've got dozens, but I will pass them one at the time. So answer this one about the Night Journey.

In the link below, scroll down to where you see the tittle "The Prophet Returns to Makkah" and read those 2-3 short paragraphs.

It doesn't mention the hadith, which mention more details, but it gives a brief account of how he proved to the people that he did go on a journey to Jerusalem and back to Makkah.

If that is not sufficient, I will try and get the hadith for you.

 

[1robin]

I have a question have you ever read the Old-testament and if so don't you find it hypocrisy to judge someone's religion when your ''Holy-book'' has ''Worse'' things mentioned in it?

1. Yes many times. 2. No it's not hipocritical because I was more interested in a muslims defense or opinion on the subject. I was not using my questions for the pupose of disproving Islam in my post. I am aware of many violent and disturbing things in the old testament. In another thread if I was using my points as an argument I would point out that the violence in the quran is not enough alone to dismiss it. It would be part of a cumulative case that would suggest it to be false. As far as the comparison to the bible, while the bible records violence by it's secondary figures our principal figure never even commited a sin of any kind and is the most benevolent example of behavior in history.

"He was the meekest and lowliest of all the sons of men, yet he spoke of coming on the clouds of heaven with the glory of God. He was so austere that evil spirits and demons cried out in terror at his coming, yet he was so genial and winsome and approachable that the children loved to play with him, and the little ones nestled in his arms. His presence at the innocent gaiety of a village wedding was like the presence of sunshine.

No one was half so compassionate to sinners, yet no one ever spoke such red hot scorching words about sin. A bruised reed he would not break, his whole life was love, yet on one occasion he demanded of the Pharisees how they ever expected to escape the damnation of hell. He was a dreamer of dreams and a seer of visions, yet for sheer stark realism He has all of our stark realists soundly beaten. He was a servant of all, washing the disciple’s feet, yet masterfully He strode into the temple, and the hucksters and moneychangers fell over one another to get away from the mad rush and the fire they saw blazing in His eyes.
He saved others, yet at the last Himself He did not save. There is nothing in history like the union of contrasts which confronts us in the gospels. The mystery of Jesus is the mystery of divine personality".

– James Stewart, Scottish theologian

"The character of Jesus has not only been the highest pattern of virtue, but the strongest incentive to its practice, and has exerted so deep an influence, that it may be truly said, that the simple record of three short years of active life has done more to regenerate and to soften mankind, than all the disquisitions of philosophers and than all the exhortations of moralists."
Dr of history William Leky

"This Jesus of Nazareth, without money and arms, conquered more millions than Alexander, Caesar, Mohammed, and Napoleon; without sciences and learning, he shed more light on things human and divine than all philosophers and scholars combined; without the eloquence of schools, he spoke such words of life as were never spoken before or since, and produced effects which lie beyond the reach of orator or poet; without writing a single line, he set more pens in motion, and furnished themes for more sermons, orations, discussions, learned volumes, works of art, and songs of praise than the whole army of great men of ancient and modern times."
Philip Schaff, historian,


Compared to the constant warfare waged by muhammad justly or unjustly.


I JUST REALIZED I AM BEING DRAWN INTO A DEBATE I PROMISED NOT TO HAVE SO I WILL LEAVE OFF HERE.

Back to the subject: I still did not have seen a Authentic Hadith being quoted or shown any ''Evidence'' please people consider this, you can only talk about history if you have Historical Evidence or ''Authentic Hadiths'' atleast to support the claims you make

I have somewhat successfully tried to not do any attacking and have been interested in only the defense or opinion of Muslims I have not spent any time proveing my point. If you think some of my points inaccurate or false then that is your defense. However every point I made is a commonly debated issue recognised as at least a legitimate topic for discussion by both sides and some points were simply statements of known recent history.

Thanks and God Bless

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If you think some of my points inaccurate or false then that is your defense.

What if we simply find them petty and disingenuous?

Now, again: what is you criteria for reasonableness and how might that be demonstrated in terms of scriptural narrative?