Is Islamophobia bigotry?

[The_Fisher_King]

Are people to be blamed for bigotry, or are they just being cautious in light that radical terrorism in the name of islam makes people distrust Muslims in general?

Who's fault is it when people are made to feel that way? Themselves, media, or Islamist jihad?

I know many others have said this, but just to chime in as a Muslim, if by Islamophobia you mean criticism of Islaam, ain't nothing wrong with that. But if you mean hatred/intolerance of somebody just because they identify as a Muslim (without knowing anything else about them) or all Muslims, period, that would be bigotry of the kind generally considered to be not on.

The other factor that hasn't really come up which needs airing is that at least some so-called Islamophobia/bigotry against someone just because they identify as Muslim is actually racism plain and simple under cover of Islamophobia/bigotry against Muslims. Needless to say, this complicates things somewhat.

 

[YmirGF]

Why do you find this disturbing? What's wrong with diversity within a particular tradition?

Simply because no Muslim can really say "This is what Islam says about this...:" The flexibility is both a strength and a huge weakness.

Sorry, just to clarify, which particular organisation are you referring to here?

He is probably talking about Hillary and the Democrats. Just a guess. @Notanumber

 

[Stevicus]

Why is it mainly their job to do so?

Well, it's their chosen profession. That's what they claim to be offering.

 

[Notanumber]

Sorry, just to clarify, which particular organisation are you referring to here?

This man explains it for you - Row over The Sun's "Muslim problem" article is fabricated left-wing nonsense!

You can skip through the podcast to find the relevant parts.

There are many more podcasts that are very informative and may be of help.

I was treading on eggshells as I described the very specific problem of 'some' Muslim men and their attitude to white Western women

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This man explains it for you - Row over The Sun's "Muslim problem" article is fabricated left-wing nonsense!

British Jews themselves came out and said that headline sounded particularly Holocaust-y. I think I'll take their word for it rather than some right-wing hack of a self-proclaimed 'journalist'. All of this could have been avoided if the Sun's editor or the article's writer had just worded the headline differently.

You've got a blame complex going on.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Simply because no Muslim can really say "This is what Islam says about this...:" The flexibility is both a strength and a huge weakness.

Can the same not also be said about any other religious tradition which has diversity in it - which is just about every other religious tradition!

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Well, it's their chosen profession. That's what they claim to be offering.

I'm not sure they all claim to be offering that, though...There are plenty just out to make a quick buck by printing the stories most likely to sell...

 

[The_Fisher_King]

This man explains it for you - Row over The Sun's "Muslim problem" article is fabricated left-wing nonsense!

You can skip through the podcast to find the relevant parts.

There are many more podcasts that are very informative and may be of help.

I was treading on eggshells as I described the very specific problem of 'some' Muslim men and their attitude to white Western women

Would you kindly redact the key bits as I don't feel comfortable visiting external websites? Thank you.

 

[Notanumber]

British Jews themselves came out and said that headline sounded particularly Holocaust-y. I think I'll take their word for it rather than some right-wing hack of a self-proclaimed 'journalist'. All of this could have been avoided if the Sun's editor or the article's writer had just worded the headline differently.

I cannot answer for the Jews and I do not know what their motives are regarding Islam. Maybe they have succumbed to Political Correctness the in the same way that our leaders have.

Naz Shah: timeline of events leading to MP's suspension from Labour

You've got a blame complex going on.

That is your opinion and I defend your right to express it, I will not take offence, but the point is, no one is accepting the blame and dealing with the problem. Instead, they would rather curtail free speech than talk about the situation.

 

[oldbadger]

Are people to be blamed for bigotry, or are they just being cautious in light that radical terrorism in the name of islam makes people distrust Muslims in general?

Who's fault is it when people are made to feel that way? Themselves, media, or Islamist jihad?

Hi......... that is not what your thread title asked.
Thread Title:-
Is Islamophobia bigotry?

Yes. Islamophobia is bigotry, because it separates out all followers of Islam.

A fear of radical Terrorism needs to include anybody who is extreme enough, hatefilled enough, psychotic enough, to want to commit terrorist atrocities.

How about the new 'street-word' Terrorphobia?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Naz Shah: timeline of events leading to MP's suspension from Labour

Never mind that, have you seen the latest of Naz Shah's seriously out-of-order pronouncements (via a re-tweet)?

 

[Notanumber]

Never mind that, have you seen the latest of Naz Shah's seriously out-of-order pronouncements (via a re-tweet)?

Thanks for the heads up, but I heard about it on here - Tommy Robinson on disgraced Labour MP Naz Shah!

They were discussing it amongst other topics such as women only carriages and Robert Lee, etc.

This shows the tweet - Corbyn's key ally shared post telling Rotherham sex victims to 'shut mouths for diversity'

The comments at the bottom are interesting.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Thanks for the heads up, but I heard about it on here - Tommy Robinson on disgraced Labour MP Naz Shah!

They were discussing it amongst other topics such as women only carriages and Robert Lee, etc.

This shows the tweet - Corbyn's key ally shared post telling Rotherham sex victims to 'shut mouths for diversity'

The comments at the bottom are interesting.

I know, wow, right? But this is Nazi Shah and her sympathisers speaking, not Islaam. She certainly doesn't speak for me (nor indeed does Jeremy Corbyn).

Do you want to start a separate thread on women-only carriages? - that's an interesting one for people to get their teeth into

 

[Notanumber]

I only found out about this last night.

Islamophobia award ‘puts target on back’ of former equalities chief Trevor Phillips

 

[-Peacemaker-]

What is ‘bigotry’? A special form of hate is supposedly more serious than other types? And in whose eyes?

 

[Stanyon]

Islamophobia is just another over used word that has been weaponized to imply some type of mental illness in those who do not wholeheartedly embrace or tolerate Islam, using the same yardstick we could easily say that some here are religionophobics.

 

[J2hapydna]

I think you have to let the topic of terrorism go. It is more or less a red herring.

Instead, focus on how Islam's core values compare to the West's. Explore why the world's Islamic leaders refused to accept the Universal Declaraion on Human Rights, and created a Sharia-friendly version instead (the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam). Compare those two documents, and see how strongly many Muslims cling to ideas like blasphemy and apostasy as being crimes. This isn't terrorism, it's a clash of important fundamental values.

You are assuming that after experiencing secularism, pluralism, civil rights and equality these humans will fail to reform their beliefs, just as Christians have managed to do. I think there is a touch of bigotry or racism, I don’t know which, in such a belief

 

[J2hapydna]

Sorry for the muslim assumption although doesn't "muslim" mean one who bows to the will of god.

The Quran that looks like it was written by plagiarizing the bible both contain offensive material but Imo the quran has many more offensive parts and for Sunni Muslims easy to interpret to kill.

The hadiths for Sunni Muslims are essential for them in their interpretation of the Quran with many telling of rape murder child marriage burning apostates and killing Jews,they set a precedent for all those and justification because muhammed did it first.

So the ammunitions there for the budding physical jihadist and when asked which sect of Islam is the right one muhammed reportedly replied "it will be the one like me".

Obviously " the one like me" ie muhammed burned apostates chopped heads off like the Jews of medina, raped murdered etc etc so with that knowledge I don't think its islamophobia that makes people wary of Islam.

Just so you know different Sunni schools accept different Hadiths. It is only the Salafi who believe all Sahih Hadiths are 100% reliable.

The problem some non Muslims appear to be having is lumping all Muslims in the same bag. Religions form a diverse set of beliefs among humans. The Salafi faith dominates because we encouraged its spread in the 80s spending 100 of millions to popularize it. They were our gentlemen Taliban. They caused havoc in the Muslim world persecuting other Muslims. We didn’t care, we got the peace dividend, defeated communism without losing a life in Afghanistan. Otherwise the Talibani / Salafi style was on its way out.

Some of you guys need to be reminded that we are no longer recruiting for the war in Afghanistan, so we can cut the BS now

 

[England my lionheart]

Just so you know different Sunni schools accept different Hadiths. It is only the Salafi who believe all Sahih Hadiths are 100% reliable.

The problem some non Muslims appear to be having is lumping all Muslims in the same bag. Religions form a diverse set of beliefs among humans. The Salafi faith dominates because we encouraged its spread in the 80s spending 100 of millions to popularize it. They were our gentlemen Taliban. They caused havoc in the Muslim world persecuting other Muslims. We didn’t care, we got the peace dividend, defeated communism without losing a life in Afghanistan. Otherwise the Talibani / Salafi style was on its way out.

Some of you guys need to be reminded that we are no longer recruiting for the war in Afghanistan, so we can cut the BS now

Quite funny, the amount of times you hear "Islam the fastest growing religion in the world,over 1.5 billion followers" until you aim a little criticism at it.

I'm quite aware of the different schools, I'm also aware of the disagreements over hadiths, some being reliable some not but all Muslims agree on their quran and doesn't that lump all unbelievers in the same bag.

Now if we take the quran without the hadith does it make much difference, slavery and violence, punishments torture sexual inequality so whatever school of thought it's the one definite constant yes.

 

[Notanumber]

Would you rather be called an Islamophobe or a Snowflake?