RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
The centuries under Ottoman rule was a relatively stable and harmonious era for the Middle East, but it’s not true that Christians and Jews had the same rights as Muslims.
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Is Israel a Jewish State?
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The centuries under Ottoman rule was a relatively stable and harmonious era for the Middle East, but it’s not true that Christians and Jews had the same rights as Muslims.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Some estimate that the number of deaths in Ukraine during its present war are as many as 1 MILLION. Tell me, why are you spending all your time crying about Gaza, when 20 times the number of people have died in Ukraine?
"up to 1,000,000 estimated casualties during the Russian invasion of Ukraine."
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Some estimate that the number of deaths in Ukraine during its present war are as many as 1 MILLION. Tell me, why are you spending all your time crying about Gaza, when 20 times the number of people have died in Ukraine?
"up to 1,000,000 estimated casualties during the Russian invasion of Ukraine."
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Isn’t there a well known saying about two wrongs?
All I see is wrongs in every direction…
It's will be true, if you proof from credibe source.
Not only in Palestin, all over muslims countries all citizens are same rights regardless religions.
If there were minority oppression, sure we have violence/resistance stories.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Christians and Jews had protected status under the Ottoman “Millet System” Christianity in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia but were required to pay additional taxes, and did not enjoy the same full rights of citizenship as Muslims.
Additional tax is symbolic,not that big money , it's instead of they don't join to army and protection.
Whatever I don't think it's was applied.Even If was it's not big issue.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
The Ottomans were in many ways fairly tolerant and enlightened, certainly by the standards of their time. I’m not sure the same could be said for any majority Muslim state now.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately many Muslims see the State of Israel as an affront to Allah, but none can explain how this is the case without committing shirk themselves.
Especially when a 2 state solution is suggested.
I'm sorry to hear of the disability and the false opportunity.
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
Could we truly identify it as a Jewish state when the efforts of European Jews to create a new type of Jew ?
Scholars argue that for example Arab jews when they entered Israel treated badly because of how they identified themselves, Arabic being their first language and having their own culture which Zionist wanted to erase.
I mean their were even movements inside Israel that fought against the racisme they experienced and the condition they lived in.
Some jews even returned to their country because of the treatment.
So it’s seems like the Zionist wanted Jews to change to a Israeli identity, a newly discovered nationality.
Also what is interesting is if Israel claims to be a Jewish state why are Ethiopian Jews being blocked from immigrating. Are they Jews that doesn’t suits their description of what is a Jew or do Rhea not fall under the description of a Israeli?
Or what about Jews that are Christian? Why aren’t they allowed to immigrate to Israel? And why does a atheist Jew can immigrate to Israel?
So it’s sounds to me a Jewish state is just a contradiction
Scholars argue that for example Arab jews when they entered Israel treated badly because of how they identified themselves, Arabic being their first language and having their own culture which Zionist wanted to erase.
I mean their were even movements inside Israel that fought against the racisme they experienced and the condition they lived in.
Some jews even returned to their country because of the treatment.
So it’s seems like the Zionist wanted Jews to change to a Israeli identity, a newly discovered nationality.
Also what is interesting is if Israel claims to be a Jewish state why are Ethiopian Jews being blocked from immigrating. Are they Jews that doesn’t suits their description of what is a Jew or do Rhea not fall under the description of a Israeli?
Or what about Jews that are Christian? Why aren’t they allowed to immigrate to Israel? And why does a atheist Jew can immigrate to Israel?
So it’s sounds to me a Jewish state is just a contradiction
Some estimate that the number of deaths in Ukraine during its present war are as many as 1 MILLION. Tell me, why are you spending all your time crying about Gaza, when 20 times the number of people have died in Ukraine?
"up to 1,000,000 estimated casualties during the Russian invasion of Ukraine."
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia
It is not unnoticed on my end that you labeled my points "crying" in an attempt to dismiss and minimize them, and you also don't know how I spend "all of [my] time," how often I discuss other wars and humanitarian catastrophes, or what I have said and keep saying about them outside RF.
Since when is it "crying" to express criticism while giving elaboration and being respectful? Nowhere in what I said did I devalue, minimize, or dismiss the concerns of others who are also critical of wars and policies that have killed or otherwise harmed civilians. I wonder whether you would find the same question appropriate to ask anyone else who denounced atrocities that caused loss of life, injury, and widespread destruction, especially among their people and neighbors.
I view Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a blatantly hostile and imperialist endeavor, so I support Ukraine's effort to defend its people and sovereignty. What does that have to do with what I said here other than deflection to another subject, though?
Your user title says, "Loving God and my neighbor as myself." I have never seen you decry the killing and maiming of Gazan civilians—such as Hind Rajab, several of her family members, and two paramedics—nor have I seen you express concern about how the IDF's bombardment is being conducted. The Israeli government's treatment of its Gazan neighbors is quite a far cry from the ideal in your title, and I have yet to see you criticize that. Where is it, if you have done so?
De juro (to some extent) =/= De facto.
Israeli apartheid - Wikipedia
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A broker I've worked with left Israel
because of rampant discrimination
against non-Jews.
Because it's bad treated Palestinians,its serious threaten to Alaqsa masjid. Which they want to destruction and build their jewish temple in over our sacred masjid.
Anyone being racist(even if Muslim), is against of Allah.
I personality see Israel regime as enemy of all humanity.
For two states solutions, last vote in UN most countries called for Palestinian state, except Israel and USA and some tiny states rejected.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
The masjid is only a building, would you go to war with Jews over this?
No Jew I know ever bombed churches. Israel is not my enemy.
This problem needs to be solved. Muslims must accept State of Israel, and all countries accept Palestine.
It seems the Ahmadi community was wrongly accused of being agents of Israel when in fact they were against the partitioning of Palestine.
This is a passing glimpse of the great effort that the Head of the Ahmadiyya Movement, Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II and the devoted member of the Ahmadiyya Movement, Ch. Muhammad Zafrulla Khan, put forth in opposing the setting up of the State of Israel. Indeed the truth is that except the Ahmadiyya Community no one else did any solid work in this sphere. Yet, instead of appreciating this effort, our Pakistani Muslim brethren have charged us with being the agents of Israel. Is this Islamic justice? How will these people face God?
Ahmadis and the State of Israel
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Well, good luck with that .. the present Israeli regime has no interest in any solution
other than inflicting genocide on its neighbours, it would appear.
The excuse/reason being as "self-defence" does not wash with the vast majority of world population.
No nation would like rockets being fired at them, with the occasional casualty OBVIOUSLY.
..but rather than attempting to solve the situation democratically/politically, they continue with
their "show of strength", with vast numbers of women and children killed in massive bombings.
In 2005, Israel withdrew its settlers and forces from the Gaza Strip, redeploying its military along the border. Following Hamas' electoral victory and subsequent military confrontation with opposing party Fatah which led to Hamas taking control over all of Gaza in 2007, Israel further tightened restrictions in an attempt to exert economic pressure on Hamas. With this new tightening of restrictions, all trade was ceased and the entrance of goods was limited to a "humanitarian minimum", allowing only those good which are "essential to the survival of the civilian population". Israeli security officials have described the ban on exports as "a political decision to separate Gaza from the West Bank" further describing it as a matter of "political-security" and a form of "economic warfare".
Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip - Wikipedia
It is obvious to any rational thinking person, that an indefinite blockade of such a nature would
precipitate in Oct 7 style defiance. They got "what they wanted" .. an excuse for obliterating Gaza.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Houthis.
All do not hide their desire to destroy Israel nor their hatred for Jews.
My existence is not for you to decide, and if I was a Muslim in Gaza I would ask myself if I should spend my life hating Jews or submitting to God instead.
Hamas makes both sound the same, and they are very wrong for doing so.
Jedster
Well-Known Member
With the Jews in Palestine(1948) being threatened to be "driven into the sea" by several Arab nation, it would be safer to vote against partition in the belief that the Arab nations would be successful. I doubt they would have wanted a Muslim government, where they would have persecuted.
The Wiki entry gives a more up-to-date about their community in Israel today. It's not a long read, but worth it.
Ahmadiyya in Israel - Wikipedia
With the Jews in Palestine(1948) being threatened to be "driven into the sea" by several Arab nation, it would be safer to vote against partition in the belief that the Arab nations would be successful. I doubt they would have wanted a Muslim government, where they would have persecuted.
The Wiki entry gives a more up-to-date about their community in Israel today. It's not a long read, but worth it.
Ahmadiyya in Israel - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Sure, it is an interesting group of folks.
It's most sacred building before Israel for all the Muslims around the world.
I watch some extreme jews harassment to christians in jerusalem.
Israel it's enemy of All world, because it's racist zionist regime.
Exactly same opinion , why the world at WW2 didn't accept German Nazi if it was good regime ?
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