Is Israel commiting war crimes? Urban warfare expert weighs in

[Colt]

This is one of the most disturbing posts I have ever read on this forum. What happened to you? This is so different from many of your other posts, which exhibit at least some empathy, that I don't know what has changed your judgment so starkly on this one topic compared to many other topics.

Gaza children traumatised by bombardment with ground war to start

Gaza's children are showing ever more signs of trauma two weeks into Israel's intense bombardment, parents and psychiatrists in the tiny, crowded enclave say, with no safe place to hide from the falling bombs and little prospect of respite.

www.reuters.com

'A curse to be a parent in Gaza': More than 3,600 Palestinian children killed in just 3 weeks of war

In just 25 days of war, more than 3,600 Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza, according to the strip's health authorities.

www.pbs.org

About 40% of Gaza's population are children, and their percentage among those killed in the IDF strikes is largely representative of this. It is impossible for "10,000 of [the 11,000 killed]" to be Hamas militants, and even if they weren't children, they would still be mainly noncombatants.

If those horrific numbers are true one must keep in mind that Hamas planned it that way! They have always relied on sympathy from their supporters around the world who see the Jews as the expendable guilty party and the Palestinian terrorists as the victims.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If those horrific numbers are true one must keep in mind that Hamas planned it that way! They have always relied on sympathy from their supporters around the world who see the Jews as the expendable guilty party and the Palestinian terrorists as the victims.

whether Hamas planned it that way or not should in no way reduce our empathy for those innocent Palestinian children and other very real Palestinian victims.

Letting go of our own basic humnanity isn't going to make aynything any better for anyone.

 

[Debater Slayer]

If those horrific numbers are true one must keep in mind that Hamas planned it that way! They have always relied on sympathy from their supporters around the world who see the Jews as the expendable guilty party and the Palestinian terrorists as the victims.

The vast majority of those killed in the war have been civilians, and many people around the world rightfully see them as victims. I think it is essential to avoid conflating civilians and combatants, be they combatants from Hamas or the IDF.

Whether "Hamas planned it that way" or not doesn't erase the problem with claiming that "10,000 of [those killed]" were Hamas militants. That is a downright dangerous and casual dismissal of thousands of civilian deaths.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This is one of the most disturbing posts I have ever read on this forum. What happened to you? This is so different from many of your other posts, which exhibit at least some empathy, that I don't know what has changed your judgment so starkly on this one topic compared to many other topics.

Gaza children traumatised by bombardment with ground war to start

Gaza's children are showing ever more signs of trauma two weeks into Israel's intense bombardment, parents and psychiatrists in the tiny, crowded enclave say, with no safe place to hide from the falling bombs and little prospect of respite.

www.reuters.com

'A curse to be a parent in Gaza': More than 3,600 Palestinian children killed in just 3 weeks of war

In just 25 days of war, more than 3,600 Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza, according to the strip's health authorities.

www.pbs.org

About 40% of Gaza's population are children, and their percentage among those killed in the IDF strikes is largely representative of this. It is impossible for "10,000 of [the 11,000 killed]" to be Hamas militants, and even if they weren't children, they would still be mainly noncombatants.

Tragically, I think that too many religious Americans are fixated on Israel for very likely the wrong reasons -- that it is believed to be where Jesus's life and ministry unfolded, but also that it is necessary for Israel to exist for Armaggedon to start.

 

[Kenny]

This is one of the most disturbing posts I have ever read on this forum. What happened to you? This is so different from many of your other posts, which exhibit at least some empathy, that I don't know what has changed your judgment so starkly on this one topic compared to many other topics.

Gaza children traumatised by bombardment with ground war to start

Gaza's children are showing ever more signs of trauma two weeks into Israel's intense bombardment, parents and psychiatrists in the tiny, crowded enclave say, with no safe place to hide from the falling bombs and little prospect of respite.

www.reuters.com

'A curse to be a parent in Gaza': More than 3,600 Palestinian children killed in just 3 weeks of war

In just 25 days of war, more than 3,600 Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza, according to the strip's health authorities.

www.pbs.org

About 40% of Gaza's population are children, and their percentage among those killed in the IDF strikes is largely representative of this. It is impossible for "10,000 of [the 11,000 killed]" to be Hamas militants, and even if they weren't children, they would still be mainly noncombatants.

I am amazed at the recurring numbers and percentages… almost like it is preset by a specific source… that being, Hamas controlled media.

1) 40 % of Gaza are children… forget that Israel is targeting Hamas and not children. Are militants 40% children? Of course not therefore the info is flawed
2) I have always said, and will say again, EVERY INNOCENT CHILD lost is a tragedy. I am specifically replying to Revoltingest position that somehow Israel is totally at fault when it is obvious it isn’t and how he doesn’t understand the simplest of understanding
3) OF COURSE, children are having traumatic responses. Just as the children in Israel are having traumatic responses to bombs being sent over by the hundreds for the last 20 years. It is a horrible consequence of any war. May we be catalysts of help for all children on both sides.
4) WHO is giving us the statistics. Hamas?
5) WHY Is HAMAS preventing the movement of civilians
6) WHY is Hamas sending missiles from civilians locations.

And a thousand other questions that points to the reality that the onus falls on Hamas.

If I am upset, I am upset at the illogical and biased statement being promulgated as truth.

(On a side note - yes, there are Israeli people and/or troops have also committed crimes for which they are being prosecuted)

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder if these are the people you support...

MSN

Your wondering shows that you cannot
grasp the theme of any of my posts.
I'll address why in a new thread.

 

[Kenny]

Your wondering shows that you cannot
grasp the theme of any of my posts.
I'll address why in a new thread.

Can I help it if truth is spelled out in black and white?

 

[Revoltingest]

Can I help it if truth is spelled out in black and white?

Your truth is an illusion.
There are multiple ways to see things, &
no one has THE TRUTH. Only occasionally
are there even facts in common.
IMO.

 

[Revoltingest]

If only Hamas would have invested their monies in children and hospitals instead of 60 ft deep tunnels hundreds of miles long, munitions and armaments.

WikiLeaks: Israel Intentionally Kept Gaza on Brink of Economic Collapse

Latest WikiLeaks Cables Claims Israel Took Economic Measures to Weaken Hamas Government

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Kenny]

WikiLeaks: Israel Intentionally Kept Gaza on Brink of Economic Collapse

Latest WikiLeaks Cables Claims Israel Took Economic Measures to Weaken Hamas Government

www.cbsnews.com

Now…. ask yourself the deep question as to …. “why”.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now…. ask yourself the deep question as to …. “why”.

I've considered it before.
Have you?

 

[Orbit]

Now…. ask yourself the deep question as to …. “why”.

Now ask yourself: why would Hamas behave like that? And the answer is not "They hate Jews" (though they might also hate Jews). The answer to that has to do with the Nakba, the ongoing violence and killing of Palestinians, and stealing Palestinian land by Israeli settlers, the intentional crippling of development and quality of life in Gaza since 2005, the illegal expansion of Israel's 1967 borders, apartheid, and second-class legal status for Palestinians. You completely ignore the historical context of the entire region, a context that starts with the Balfour Declaration.

And lest I be asked to repeat this for the millionth time: Hamas is bad, they do war crimes. Israel also does war crimes, and I am tired of my tax dollars being used to slaughter children.

 

[Kenny]

WikiLeaks: Israel Intentionally Kept Gaza on Brink of Economic Collapse

Latest WikiLeaks Cables Claims Israel Took Economic Measures to Weaken Hamas Government

www.cbsnews.com

I forgot to say… thank you for an informative link that I would trust.

 

[Kenny]

I've considered it before.
Have you?

Not before… what are your conclusions and why?

 

[Kenny]

Now ask yourself: why would Hamas behave like that? And the answer is not "They hate Jews" (though they might also hate Jews).

I’m not blind….

But Hamas has never changed its aspirations to wrest control of all of Israel by killing its Jews— a goal you will see clearly when you read the Hamas charter, as I did on Tuesday.

The first version of the charter, adopted in 1988, begins with a preamble. Only instead of “We-the-People,” it reads: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

The truth of Hamas is in its charter

Hamas' charter, first written in 1988 and revised in 2017, blames Jews for the French and Communist revolutions, and World Wars I and II.

forward.com

Militant Jihad​

The 1988 Charter went further in detailing how Jihad against the Jews was a duty. "The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."[1]

Hamas Charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Orbit]

I’m not blind….

But Hamas has never changed its aspirations to wrest control of all of Israel by killing its Jews— a goal you will see clearly when you read the Hamas charter, as I did on Tuesday.

The first version of the charter, adopted in 1988, begins with a preamble. Only instead of “We-the-People,” it reads: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

The truth of Hamas is in its charter

Hamas' charter, first written in 1988 and revised in 2017, blames Jews for the French and Communist revolutions, and World Wars I and II.

forward.com

Militant Jihad​

The 1988 Charter went further in detailing how Jihad against the Jews was a duty. "The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."[1]

Hamas Charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you're not blind why do you find it impossible to acknowledge the regional history (and Israeli policies) that created Hamas and fuel its existence?

 

[Kenny]

If you're not blind why do you find it impossible to acknowledge the regional history (and Israeli policies) that created Hamas and fuel its existence?

Because I go deeper than just repeating what others throw out there as a mantra

 

[Orbit]

Because I go deeper than just repeating what others throw out there as a mantra

No, you repeat yourself without ever acknowledging that Israel plays a part in the ongoing problem.

 

[Kenny]

No, you repeat yourself without ever acknowledging that Israel plays a part in the ongoing problem.

Go beyond current events. If you don’t understand history, you will repeat the same mistakes. They understand the Holocaust so they give no place to it.

 

[Orbit]

Go beyond current events. If you don’t understand history, you will repeat the same mistakes. They understand the Holocaust so they give no place to it.

Do you understand the Nakba? The Balfour Declaration? You seem to think history only has one side.