Is Israel Racist?

[Nakosis]

All you're seeing is might being imposed. Not might being right. They are not the same thing.

Sure, you judge right by your own criteria. But in the end for me it doesn't matter what we personally judge as right. What matters is what can be and cannot be enforced. Everything that is enforced is somebody's idea of right. That "right" that is enforce is the right we all actually have to deal with. Not your judgement of what is right nor my judgement of what is right.

 

[Shad]

Shouldn't everyone then be screen the same?

No as various other nationality are not bombing the airport, buses, schools, etc.The airport was bombed in the 70s. It is now one of the safest if burdensome airport around.

Profiling runs the risk of folks not meeting the profile of getting through.

Yes. However unless her mother was a member of some group she would have been passed through after screening. FYI x-ray screen is a normal standard not anything special.

So maybe blame the teachers for instilling this biased view?

That and whatever half-truths her mother told her. Both sides like to entertain fictions instead of the reality of the situation the area is in.

Even though you are a Canadian you can still become a US citizen. Don't Palestinians have a right to become Israeli citizens?

Palestinians can become citizens. Her mother was not a citizens of Israel. She is framing the situation by lying about her status and the history of the area. More so if she is claiming to be treated as a second class citizen without having citizenship she has conceded that WB and Gaza are part of Israel. Major blunder there.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Sure, you judge right by your own criteria. But in the end for me it doesn't matter what we personally judge as right. What matters is what can be and cannot be enforced. Everything that is enforced is somebody's idea of right. That "right" that is enforce is the right we all actually have to deal with. Not your judgement of what is right nor my judgement of what is right.

Sigh. Tired of going around in circles. Last time: What is enforced does not equal right. It does not 'matter' less than what is enforced. That it's someone's, or many someone's, or the most powerful someone's idea of right does not make it right. Right is based on justified and principled behavior and the consequences thereof, which has non-arbitrary reasoning. It is not established based on law, majority preference or tradition.

 

[Shad]

Sigh. Tired of going around in circles. Last time: What is enforced does not equal right. It does not 'matter' less than what is enforced. That it's someone's, or many someone's, or the most powerful someone's idea of right does not make it right. Right is based on justified and principled behavior and the consequences thereof, which has non-arbitrary reasoning. It is not established based on law, majority preference or tradition.

Do consider that doing the "right" thing is not the smart thing to do in some situations. That is the difference between being idealist and practical.

You are not looking at the other sides view in your evaluation. You took 1 claimed, did not research then proceeded to babble of what is right. Have you consider that doing some research is the first "right" thing to do?

 

[Nakosis]

Palestinians can become citizens. Her mother was not a citizens of Israel. She is framing the situation by lying about her status and the history of the area. More so if she is claiming to be treated as a second class citizen without having citizenship she has conceded that WB and Gaza are part of Israel. Major blunder there.

That's true. My wife as a non-US citizen had a much longer line to go through when entering the US than I did.

 

[Nakosis]

Sigh. Tired of going around in circles. Last time: What is enforced does not equal right. It does not 'matter' less than what is enforced. That it's someone's, or many someone's, or the most powerful someone's idea of right does not make it right. Right is based on justified and principled behavior and the consequences thereof, which has non-arbitrary reasoning. It is not established based on law, majority preference or tradition.

Well would you agree that what is enforced is equal to somebody's idea of what's right?

 

[Shad]

That's true. My wife as a non-US citizen had a much longer line to go through when entering the US than I did.

I hear you. Before 9/11 I could cross the Canada/USA border with a simple declaration. Going to Seattle (Blue Jays playing there). Now there is delay and a little screening as they run a background check. Sure its not a lot. However before I never had to provide ID to run a check. CBP didn't care as we Canucks have that stereotype (I ruin it I know!) so we treated as American-lite

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Well would you agree that what is enforced is equal to somebody's idea of what's right?

That it's someone's, or many someone's, or the most powerful someone's idea of right does not make it right. Right is based on justified and principled behavior and the consequences thereof, which has non-arbitrary reasoning. It is not established based on law, majority preference or tradition.

 

[Shad]

Well would you agree that what is enforced is equal to somebody's idea of what's right?

Yes as I think a lot of people can convince themselves horrible ideas are right especially under the banner of "the greater good"

The whole century and more conflict has created a liberty vs security conflict. That is why screening and security is excessive. However as at least a good portion of the citizen seem to like the results or see less attacks as a result the politicians are happy with that trade off.

Think of DHS in the US. Both parties have every reason to go against it according to their "principles". Neither party tries to overturn it seriously. The voter has not done anything different. Government has one more tool the masses are mostly apathetic about.

 

[Nakosis]

Great, so your personal idea of what is "right" is pretty irrelevant if it can't be enforced.

You and I may have different ideas about what is right, but the only right that is relevant is the one that gets enforced.

IOW, in your own personal universe you can create the perfect world where everything is "right" according to your views, but this doesn't change what actually goes on in the world.

Not unless you can get others to agree with your ideas of what is right and wrong and get it to be actually enforced in reality.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Do consider that doing the "right" thing is not the smart thing to do in some situations. That is the difference between being idealist and practical.

An example being or alliance with the brutal dictator Stalin during WWII. Sometimes you have to choose between degrees of evil to deal with the worse evil.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Great, so your personal idea of what is "right" is pretty irrelevant if it can't be enforced.

You and I may have different ideas about what is right, but the only right that is relevant is the one that gets enforced.

IOW, in your own personal universe you can create the perfect world where everything is "right" according to your views, but this doesn't change what actually goes on in the world.

Not unless you can get others to agree with your ideas of what is right and wrong and get it to be actually enforced in reality.

Practice doesn't make principal. Enforcement doesn't make relevancy to 'what is right.' 'What is right' is not personal or arbitrary.
All you're advocating is authoritarianism.
And seriously I'm done with this thread now. lol

 

[Nakosis]

Practice doesn't make principal. Enforcement doesn't make relevancy to 'what is right.' 'What is right' is not personal or arbitrary.
All you're advocating is authoritarianism.
And seriously I'm done with this thread now. lol

I'm not advocating anything. Just pointing out how I see the world goes about doing it's thing.

Anyway thanks for the discussion.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Palestinian-American Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) also spoke at the briefing about her family’s separate-and-unequal treatment by Israel. Tlaib decried how her mother, a US citizen, is not allowed by Israel to visit the West Bank via Ben Gurion Airport near Tel Aviv because she also has Palestinian identification. Instead, her mother must transit to the West Bank via Jordan. Tlaib was blunt in her criticism of this Israeli policy, calling it “segregation”.

Tlaib also recounted her first visit to Palestine at age 12 to attend a family wedding in the West Bank. Growing up in Detroit with primarily Black teachers who instilled in her a knowledge of the “pain of oppression and segregation,” Tlaib was shocked by Israel’s separation of Palestinians at border control. Standing in a slow-moving line of Palestinians while others breezed through security, Tlaib realized that “this is what my teachers taught me about what happened to Blacks in America.”
Tlaib decries Israel’s ‘racist policies’ during Capitol Hill briefing examining abuses of US citizens

Not having been there, I don't (know). Though I have read stories of Palestinians being treated as second class citizens by Israel.

Not as far as race, but they do not tolerate other religions trying to compete with theirs in their assumed homeland.

 

[Nakosis]

Not as far as race, but they do not tolerate other religions trying to compete with theirs in their assumed homeland.

Israel is one of the least religious countries in the world.
Israel among the least religious countries in the world

So what are they in competition with?

 

[Earthtank]

Yes, Israel is racist.

 

[oldbadger]

Perhaps the question could be phrased slightly differently?

Does the Israeli Government treat Palestinians fairly and equitably? Answer: no.

But....

I think it's important to point out that almost every Israeli adult citizen is a soldier. And part of that military training instills an us vs. them mentality and dehumanizes Palestinians as the out-group/enemy. This could render behavior which appears to be racist. But I don't know if it is technically racist.

How would you feel about it if you were a Palestinian?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Israel is one of the least religious countries in the world.
Israel among the least religious countries in the world

So what are they in competition with?

You are right, which is so strange to me, since the Zionists think Yahweh gave the country to them.

 

[Shad]

An example being or alliance with the brutal dictator Stalin during WWII. Sometimes you have to choose between degrees of evil to deal with the worse evil.

Also doing the right thing could mean a war is lost. Take human shields for example or children soldiers like the 12th SS Panzer Division.