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Is it ok to eat meat based on your religion?

Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Based on the Torah, a permission to eat meat was only given in later times.
Looking back at the interpretations of the Torah, the loading rabbis of the old era (Hazel) seemed to agree it is forbidden and humans should avoid eating meat and today meat is eaten only due to the inability of humans to not eat meet.

(It is recently presented by a Rabbi called Asa Keisar).

Thought?
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Segev Moran said:
Looking back at the interpretations of the Torah, the loading rabbis of the old era (Hazel) seemed to agree it is forbidden and humans should avoid eating meat and today meat is eaten only due to the inability of humans to not eat meet.
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References?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Segev Moran said:
Based on the Torah, a permission to eat meat was only given in later times.
Looking back at the interpretations of the Torah, the loading rabbis of the old era (Hazel) seemed to agree it is forbidden and humans should avoid eating meat and today meat is eaten only due to the inability of humans to not eat meet.

(It is recently presented by a Rabbi called Asa Keisar).

Thought?
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The Muslims eat meat because G-d has allowed it in Quran, yet there is no compulsion to eat meat as per Quran. Does one want me to quote from Quran in this connection, please.
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sun rise

sun rise

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My background informs me that it's more important what comes out of my mouth compared to what goes into it.
 
Tumah

Tumah

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Segev Moran said:
Based on the Torah, a permission to eat meat was only given in later times.
Looking back at the interpretations of the Torah, the loading rabbis of the old era (Hazel) seemed to agree it is forbidden and humans should avoid eating meat and today meat is eaten only due to the inability of humans to not eat meet.

(It is recently presented by a Rabbi called Asa Keisar).

Thought?
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Just because someone has the title "Rabbi" doesn't mean he's right. According to the Midrash, Abraham had Ishmael slaughter three calves just for their tongues. Angels don't even need to eat. If not eating meat is an ideal, what is Abraham doing?
When Isaac wanted to transfer the blessings to Esau, he asks for food that he likes, which Rebecca, his wife, understands to mean goat meat. Do neither Isaac nor Rebecca know this?
And Deut. 12:21 "and you shall slaughter from your flocks...and you shall eat in your gates, according to the desire of your soul." This verse teaches us about eating mundane meat and tells us to eat "according to the desire of your soul". Let alone all the seemingly extra sacrifices that we need to eat on the holidays. That does not sound like one should only eat meat when nothing else is available.

It's one thing to say that one should avoid eating meat from animals that are not kept properly, so as to discourage the practice. I don't think there's room to say that the Torah or Chazal intended that we only eat meat when it's unavoidable.
 
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GoodbyeDave

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If one looks at the teeth and guts of humans, it's clear that we are not herbivores but omnivores. Pagans, of course, do not have food taboos and can eat whatever they fancy. In practice, I'm not a daily meat eater, but I did enjoy my duck today!
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

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Diet varies widely in Hinduism, and there are no overall rules, although the vast majority will avoid beef. Some Individual sampradayas make vegetarianism a requirement, but the 'village Hindu' not belonging to any sampradaya is free to choose for himself/herself. I'm personally under vows to be vegetarian. It is a requirement in my sampradaya.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Segev Moran said:
you are right.
But i look at the sources and not relay on what he says.
I checked it myself and he presents a valid and non disputable arguments.
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I mean, not really non-disputable. In the post you are responding to, I brought three sources disputing his argument.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Jayhawker Soule said:
References?
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וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת-כָּל-עֵשֶׂב זֹרֵעַ זֶרַע אֲשֶׁר עַל-פְּנֵי כָל-הָאָרֶץ, וְאֶת-כָּל-הָעֵץ אֲשֶׁר-בּוֹ פְרִי-עֵץ, זֹרֵעַ זָרַע: לָכֶם יִהְיֶה, לְאָכְלָה.
Genesis.
God states that all the vegetation is made for the humans and animals to feed upon. No mention of eating other animals.

אַךְ-בָּשָׂר, בְּנַפְשׁוֹ דָמוֹ לֹא תֹאכֵל
Noah, Chapter 9 Verse 4

Besides that almost all Hazal stated it was permitted to eat meet only as humans just didn't want to stop eating it.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Based on the Hazal (Almost all of them BTW), the only reason eating meat was permitted was because humans didn't manage to stop eating it.
It is called היתר בדיעבד which loosely translates to allowing after it is already done.

Look at the bible itself, it is clear that eating meat was not one of the things god planned for humans.
Through out the stories, you can clearly see humans repeatedly disobeyed this, thus causing it to be allowed.

It is very gradual.
At first it was forbidden, then it was allowed only as a gesture to god (zevach), then only in the temple, then it was allowed everywhere and finally when it became so common, it was transformed to a state where eating more meat in the Sabath was done to make it unique than other days.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Segev Moran said:
Based on the Hazal (Almost all of them BTW), the only reason eating meat was permitted was because humans didn't manage to stop eating it.
It is called היתר בדיעבד which loosely translates to allowing after it is already done.

Look at the bible itself, it is clear that eating meat was not one of the things god planned for humans.
Through out the stories, you can clearly see humans repeatedly disobeyed this, thus causing it to be allowed.

It is very gradual.
At first it was forbidden, then it was allowed only as a gesture to god (zevach), then only in the temple, then it was allowed everywhere and finally when it became so common, it was transformed to a state where eating more meat in the Sabath was done to make it unique than other days.
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If you speak Hebrew i highly recommend this lecture, he shows all the sources and the texts:

 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Segev Moran said:
Based on the Hazal (Almost all of them BTW), the only reason eating meat was permitted was because humans didn't manage to stop eating it.
It is called היתר בדיעבד which loosely translates to allowing after it is already done.

Look at the bible itself, it is clear that eating meat was not one of the things god planned for humans.
Through out the stories, you can clearly see humans repeatedly disobeyed this, thus causing it to be allowed.

It is very gradual.
At first it was forbidden, then it was allowed only as a gesture to god (zevach), then only in the temple, then it was allowed everywhere and finally when it became so common, it was transformed to a state where eating more meat in the Sabath was done to make it unique than other days.
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This is wrong. See the second tosfos here and the Talmud here. Adam was permitted meat (and ate) meat לכתחילה.
 
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