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Is it ok to mock beliefs?

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
you are being silly now...

read fantôme profane post....he wasn't killed for his belief
:facepalm:

No, he wasn't, but that also wasn't what you were commenting about. Not once, but twice: "whatever works" and "who cares if someone complains..."

Sorry, dude, but I don't abide by bullying others. Persuading them is fine, but ridicule, mockery or other such tactics are immoral IMO. We can disagree, but that is the way I feel. It doens't matter who is doing it, it's wrong.

Your comments about me being silly instead of offering a logical response and FP's constant, but false complaints about Godwin's Law should be indicators of what is wrong with your argument.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

waitasec

Veteran Member
No, he wasn't, but that also wasn't what you were commenting about. Not once, but twice: "whatever works" and "who cares if someone complains..."

Sorry, dude, but I don't abide by bullying others. Persuading them is fine, but ridicule, mockery or other such tactics are immoral IMO. We can disagree, but that is the way I feel. It doens't matter who is doing it, it's wrong.

jeez louise
that isn't how it was played out...
this is the context..:rolleyes:
Are you asserting that you think being ridiculed or mocked was the best way to persuade you or the most effective way? That you would have never changed your thought patterns unless someone personally attacked you, mocked you and ridiculed you?

whatever works...

and
True, but it is mostly nice to see your perspective on the matter. Anyone who gives a "Do as we say or else!" response shouldn't complain when there is backlash.

who cares if someone complains...

why does the obvious have to be mentioned, any person with an ounce of common courtesy isn't going to start mocking people they just met

yes it was.

:sorry1: you're mistaken

you are the one using ad hominems comparing mockery with genocide...i was keeping it real
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
This is all nonsense.

Godwin's law is a parody in references to people's abuse of moral claim, what it has to do with bullying is all subject to you guys and your internet sensations.

Come on now.
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
This is all nonsense.

Godwin's law is a parody in references to people's abuse of moral claim, what it has to do with bullying is all subject to you guys and your internet sensations.

Come on now.

Agreed to an extent. Specifically, Godwin's Law refers to people who compare something to Nazis or Hitler. Since no such comparison was made, the accusation is spurious and reflects poorly on the person making the false accusation.
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..

Another excellent example of a person who would rather make emotional and insulting accusations rather than logical or reasonable ones. Please tell me again how Richard Dawkins' followers are all about reason, logic and truth.

Guys, you are your own worst enemies, not me or anyone who disagrees with the opinions of Professor Dawkins. Personal attacks, sexual insults and other verbal abuse work against you, not for you. Sure, that may have seemed to work in high school, but in the adult world, it won't garner you any respect nor accomplish the goals you seek.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
Agreed to an extent. Specifically, Godwin's Law refers to people who compare something to Nazis or Hitler. Since no such comparison was made, the accusation is spurious and reflects poorly on the person making the false accusation.

The entire notion of Godwin's Law is designed to expound upon the moral prospect of extreme evils. The parody is because the Nazi's and Hitler are used as moral goal post for the critics.

Whether or not they are directly implied is irrelevant, because the notion of Godwin's Law specifically states that as discussion continues to grow in depth the example is bound to pop out in any manner that is reactional to a moral belief.
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Another excellent example of a person who would rather make emotional and insulting accusations rather than logical or reasonable ones. Please tell me again how Richard Dawkins' followers are all about reason, logic and truth.

Guys, you are your own worst enemies, not me or anyone who disagrees with the opinions of Professor Dawkins. Personal attacks, sexual insults and other verbal abuse work against you, not for you. Sure, that may have seemed to work in high school, but in the adult world, it won't garner you any respect nor accomplish the goals you seek.
You really have an obsession with Dawkins. Everything is not about Dawkins. This thread is not about Dawkins.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
fantôme profane;2915255 said:
You really have an obsession with Dawkins. Everything is not about Dawkins. This thread is not about Dawkins.

You're not really helping him understand that.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
Post 394 will help if you attempt to apply it to everything that has occurred in the last couple pages of this thread.
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
The entire notion of Godwin's Law is designed to expound upon the moral prospect of extreme evils. The parody is because the Nazi's and Hitler are used a moral goal post for the critics.

Agreed about the Nazi's being used as "moral goal posts" or markers, but disagreed about the intent of Godwin's Law. It's too easy to take an extreme evil like the Nazi atrocities and compare it to something else we dislike. Don't like Republicans? Compare them to Nazis. Don't like corporations? Compare them to Nazis. As the Wiki link stated, it's about Reductio ad Hitlerum.

When fantôme profane falsely accuses me of violating Godwin's Law, he is simply making an insult, not a logical argument. When waitasec posts "369..." or "you are being silly now..." he isn't adding intellectualism to the discussion or facts, he's merely posting emotional rhetoric in the form of insults and ad hominems. It's sad, but these are the tactics Richard Dawkins and his followers are engaging. Not reason, not logic, but insults and bullying.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
But a push is a push even if its pushing back.

I think that is what is attempting to be described here.
 
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