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Is it okay to kill this?

MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Smoke said:
Here's what I notice about the abortion debate. Almost everybody believes abortion should be permitted in some circumstances. I don't see anybody, even the Pope, calling for a total prohibition on all abortions, though the Vatican indulges in its usual rhetorical dishonesty in this case as it does in the case of divorce. The Pope is willing to permit an abortion if he can find a way not to call it abortion.

But anyway, abortion is almost universally viewed as permissible in some circumstances. Most people who want to make abortion illegal aren't looking to deprive the rape victim or the woman in imminent danger of death of the right to choose an abortion. The women whose choice they want to take away are precisely those women for whom they are unable to muster any sympathy or compassion. It seems to me that this is taking you onto some very shaky moral ground.
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Wow....I'm stunned. Not in a bad way, but in a how-does-Smoke-keep-impressing-me-with-his-awesomeness kind of way.

I have to say that this is probably the first time I've ever found myself questioning my stance on abortion because of a single post.

I normally don't involve myself in abortion debates, because I find myself very much pulled to and fro by sympathizing with the pro-life arguments.........and yet I distance myself from the pro-life crowd because it really is very very easy to champion the rights of a fetus when the woman herself is still considered not much more than chattel. I fully support a woman's autonomy and the right to choose what she does with her own body, but my own beliefs always had me conflicted when it came to abortion.

Thanks, Bill. You gave me some outstanding food for thought. It's rare for one post to hit my noggin so well, but it's not surprising that it came from you. If anyone on this forum could embellish on hypocrisy and inconsistent ethics, it's you. :)

And to note, I may have been guilty of hypocrisy, too. I think you just hit me with that metaphorical Zen master's stick in the right place. LOL
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Smoke said:
The relevant question as far as the law is concerned is, at what point is it ethical to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term against her will?


98.5% of abortions in the United States take place during the first 20 weeks.
88% take place during the first 12 weeks.
58% of women having an abortion say they would have preferred to have it earler.
60% of those say the reason for delay was raising the money and making arrangements for an abortion.
Teenagers are far more likely to delay abortion than women 20 or older.
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One of the most rational posts in this entire thread.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Smoke said:
Most people who want to make abortion illegal aren't looking to deprive the rape victim or the woman in imminent danger of death of the right to choose an abortion.
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Except the authors of Amendment 62 in Colorado.
Known as the "Personhood Amendment", it does not even address abortion.
Instead, the exact wording is “The term ‘person’ shall apply to every human being from the beginning of the biological development of that human being.”, thus making every pregnancy termination, including the morning-after pill, the legal definition of homicide, "the killing of one human being by another human being".

I doubt if this will pass voter muster in November, at least, I hope not.
 
Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
I know that there are unusual circumstances in which abortion may be rationalized or even ethical - but those should be exceptions.

Abortion for the convenience of others is monstrous.
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It's so good to hear from a pro-life female! :D
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
Midnight Pete said:
It's so good to hear from a pro-life female! :D
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What makes her pro-life? I fail to see the connection with your assumption.

And, abortion for ones convenience? I fail to see the monstrosity between forcing Life and living in a dog kennel.
 
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Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
Orias said:
What makes her pro-life? I fail to see the connection with your assumption.

And, abortion for ones convenience? I fail to see the monstrosity between forcing Life and living in a dog kennel.
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I'm not sure what you would consider monstrous, if anything.
 
tomato1236

tomato1236

Ninja Master
Midnight Pete said:
I'm not sure what you would consider monstrous, if anything.
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If there was an actual monster coming, Orias would proabably give an apathetic shrug and say, if that large individual wants to eat me, I'm certainly not going to be the one to stand in his/her way.
 
DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Get your BUTTS up and STOP talking about NO abortion and SAVE the children that are BORN!!! That WERENT abortoed that are DYING every day from LACK of basic sutff such as FOOD and WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Put your MONEY (which is WHAT it takes to FEED children) where you MOUTH is!!!!!!!!

PROHIBITING abortion contrary to POPULAR IGNORANT belief is NOT all it takes to SAVE children!It just gets them BORN!

Untill the CHILDREN on earth have plenty of food(and I dont mean gluttons) and water?And are not abused and used in all kinds of slavery?Do NOT worry about abortion..!!!

There is PLENTY to go around already here that are STARVING!
 
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