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Is it possible for us to create a purpose?

Is it possible for us to create a purpose without acting on some higher purpose (which we did not cr

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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
ArtieE said:
What dilemma?
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I told you a straight answer was next to impossible from these rhetorical types with OP's like this

This is what happens when one follows a BAD philosophy professor, and or first year students that have not grasped the concepts in full IN context.
 
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thevoiceofgod

Active Member
Reflex said:
It is really amusing to see atheists here trying to avoid their dilemma. Artie is not here for a specific purpose and neither were Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. Each made a specific purpose for themselves that contain what they imagined to be reasonable goals chosen by them because of their personality, strengths and desires--just like Digital.

Mestemia and ImmortalFlame just accused me of being nonsensical without bothering to answer the question.

Straw Dog says purpose is "something that unfolds naturally according to the shifting situations." Does that mean the purposes of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao were natural phenomena? Should we explore the entailments of that?

Like it or not, there is a direct link between purpose and values.
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No man chooses to be who he is in this world. Our Creator chooses all the leaders and puts the thoughts in their minds to do whatever they were programmed to do.
 
Reflex

Reflex

Active Member
thevoiceofgod said:
No man chooses to be who he is in this world. Our Creator chooses all the leaders and puts the thoughts in their minds to do whatever they were programmed to do.
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If you say so. But it doesn't make any sense (especially if you believe we are made in his image).
 
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thevoiceofgod

Active Member
Reflex said:
If you say so. But it doesn't make any sense (especially if you believe we are made in his image).
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We were made in his imagination and spoke His creation into a program that is nothing but information. As that information is processed through each created character, the character experiences a body living in a simulated world but only as illusions.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Reflex said:
I'd respond, SW, but I don't like your font. It's distracting.
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I find your lack of understanding and utter lack of willingness to understand to be distracting. Though I give you credit for being able to mention Hegel as a "religion," as not many even know that name, but his views were very strongly influenced by his time, but they still remain tied to a Christianity that is not congruent with today's Western values, and tied heavily to the ethnocentric-European culture from whence he came. Christianity is not the pinnacle of morality or ethics, and though Jesus had some good ideas, it must also be considered the other material that comes attached with Jesus. Where Hegel falls short is not boldly and strongly emphasizing that you do not need religion, god, or Christ for morality and ethics. Foucault, for all his flaws, was even closer to a clearer vision of morality and ethics for "piggy-backing" off of Nietzsche. And then we come into modern times, and we have philosophers such as Heidegger who paved the way for Existentialism and philosophies that create meaning and purpose without god, without religion, and without having to be caught in the world and what we're told to like.
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Reflex said:
It is really amusing to see atheists here trying to avoid their dilemma. Artie is not here for a specific purpose and neither were Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. Each made a specific purpose for themselves that contain what they imagined to be reasonable goals chosen by them because of their personality, strengths and desires--just like Digital.
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Using the quote system helps me know you've replied to me, by the way.

There's nothing reasonable about totalitarianism and abuse of people under rule. You keep trying to insert arbitration when no utilitarian or consequentialist who is also atheist would agree to your reduction to the absurd and cheap emotional arguments.
Totalitarianism and abuse of people under rule is precisely why many atheists disagree with the so-called 'moral supremacy' as defined by the bible.
In any case, what is moral is not an interchangeable question with what is purpose. And a creator being claiming to have a 'perfect purpose' doesn't make the claim believable or less arbitrary if you reject the very core concept that purpose must be handed to you by an authority, or even by a creator.
I use many kitchen utensils in multimedia art projects. If their creator told me that I should stop and submit to their intended purpose I would laugh in their face and continue to use the tools for the utility I've discovered and applied myself.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I think the only ones who need a purpose in life are the ones who are afraid of death, they will cling to any belief that gives them security, and hence the religion of a heaven is just what they want.
 
Reflex

Reflex

Active Member
psychoslice said:
I think the only ones who need a purpose in life are the ones who are afraid of death, they will cling to any belief that gives them security, and hence the religion of a heaven is just what they want.
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Studies seem to indicate otherwise.
 
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