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Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?
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Subduction Zone
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That is not an answer. Nor is it an excuse for the Bible claiming that God is a liar if one interprets the Bible literally.
No. And not because of simple ‘errors’, but because of outright fraud and fabrication. The attributes of the Messiah were well delineated by the indisputable experts on the subject - the Jews who actually wrote them. They do not include:
A virgin birth
A crucifixion
A resurrection
Any divine attributes.
The gospel authors knew this, but decided to lie about it anyway, inventing their own ‘attributes’ and squeezing Jesus into them.
Isaiah 7:14 by itself shows the insidiousness of this fraud. It’s not messianic, and it’s not about a virgin birth - and as ‘prophesy’ about the actual subject of the verses, King Ahaz, it failed.
The Jews told everyone these facts long ago. We have seen the results - from the antisemitism of the gospels to the related demonization of the ‘Christ Killers’ resulting in the Holocaust.
Christianity has much to answer for.
vulcanlogician
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While I tend to agree with your general thesis, I don't think we can readily conclude that the Gospel authors had malicious intent. According to most scholars, the Gospels were transmitted through word of mouth for several decades before finally being put to pen. This could place the onus of the "misinformation" on storytellers throughout the years.
Exceptions could be made for Matthew (who obviously had an agenda to relate Jewish scripture with Jesus being the Messiah). And John (who obviously wanted to make clear the divinity of Christ). Other than that (and certain changes made to the texts by scribes, much of the hyperbole and legend can be explained by how people tell stories.
InvestigateTruth
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Bible is true, because God gave it as guidance to humanity.. God would not have given a false Book.
How true Christianity is, that depends on how well it understood and followed the Bible.
Subduction Zone
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That is not a reason that is a claim. How do you show that God had anything to do with the Bible at all?
InvestigateTruth
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Assuming if Jesus was the Messiah, then God had to do with it.
And yet it’s clear Jesus was not the Messiah.
Subduction Zone
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Why would anyone assume that? Why not a assume that George Burns was the Messiah, oh wait, he's dead. Okay, how about Halle Berry? She's hot.
vulcanlogician
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I've known a lot of Christians. They are always surprised at what God allows. God will let a 9 year old girl die of cancer. Despite countless prayers. You wouldn't think he would. But he has numerous times.
What makes you think he won't let a few errors into your special book?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Because Death and Life is natural part of this life, and God has created the nature as such, so, why would God interfere with what He had already created? Beside this, in reality no one dies, because the Soul does not die. It is the body that dies, and soul continue to live on.
But if God has given the Bible for guidance to humanity, how could He allow humanity to follow a false Book thinking it is given by their God to them as a gift and guidance?
vulcanlogician
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Only the true Messiah denies his own divinity.
"Okay then I AM the messiah!"
"He IS the messiah!"
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Because God did not say, those two who you are naming, were Messiah. But God did say, Jesus was the Messiah.
Assuming there is a God, who had spoken of Messiah to come.
Subduction Zone
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You keep making the error of assuming that the Bible is from God. With all of the errors in it why do you have that belief?
And where did God say that Jesus was the Messiah? I must have missed that.
InvestigateTruth
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You need to prove there are errors in it.
God said it in the Bible. Assuming the Bible is from God.
Subduction Zone
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We have. genesis is a book of myths. Exodus never happened anything like in the Bible.
But let's get more recent. When was Jesus born, roughly. Can you tell me within a year or two?
Well that is a silly assumption. Because then you are assuming that God is a liar. At least if you read the Bible literally.
vulcanlogician
Well-Known Member
Have you ever considered the possibility that God put his truth into the Bible and called it a day? Maybe he didn't go back and ensure it was inerrant... just so folks like you could feel brash and secure in their statements. Isn't that a possibility?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
If Bible was originally from God, then He protected it. Unless, you say, maybe it was never from God, and Jesus was not the Messiah. Now, that's a possibility to consider.
No, it didn't. The gospel authors said it, after spitting on the OT and the clear attributes of the Messiah it delineated, then inventing their own 'attributes' and squeezing Jesus into them.
The Messiah - Key beliefs in Judaism - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - AQA - BBC Bitesize
Learn about and revise key Jewish beliefs with BBC Bitesize Religious Studies - AQA.
www.bbc.co.uk