Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all,
First thanks for the reply.

God is named by human men.

ERROR, the Name of God YESHUA/JESUS was before the EARTH, or Heaven. and given to mankind, BEFORE the flesh was even conceived in the womb.

They stand on one St one planet...body of entombed flesh. De....the ceased spirit. Rock.

that's a simile

A total review of aTheism isn't just and God is flesh.

but that's the end result, to be with his people.

Man said the Ain or zero ST ain ts. Meaning I knew I changed the earth's not Ain.

An explanation.

As science wasn't ever a man's secret.

As family was forced to build it for him.

His secret was knowing he lied about what he knew. And how he could contrive cunningly...as the
Sophist to fool everyone.

He achieved it by using one word multi times not of the same meaning.

The secret never allow family to know science was just mechanical themes he inferred to space when no mechanics existed.

As his laws were to build a machine to perform a function that natural laws had not owned.

Still to this day you do the same behaviour. You claim the machines law is natural law. Yet you build the machine to apply it.

personal opinions I care less about.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

You say that it could have been three angels that went to Sodom. It clearly was not, because in the following chapter only two turn up in Sodom. Where is the third? It is quite reasonable to assume that the third was the LORD, who stayed behind to commune with Abraham. The narrative is unbroken, and three men does not suddenly become two without explanation.

Genesis 18 begins with the words, 'And the LORD appeared unto him'. Are we to follow the idea that all 'appearances' of the LORD are unseen by the human eye? A quick survey of the use of the word 'appear' and it becomes evident that to take such a view is problematic.

Did Moses and the 70 elders not see the God of lsrael? Was the writing of God not really visible to the human eye? Did Moses not see God's 'back parts'?

Sorry to intrude in your interesting debate with dybmh, but the argument that God PERSONALLY AND BODILY appeared to anyone is false.

Almighty God is Spirit. He never CHANGES to anything - He is what He is which is why he called Homself: ‘YHWH’… and that is exactly what it means: “I never change… I Am, I just am!’

Almighty God always dispatches an angel of suitable authoritative level to do his bidding and talk His words, desires, and commands, to mankind:

• “In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” (Hebrews 1:7)
• “For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;” (Psalm 91:11)
• “Praise the LORD, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word. Praise the LORD, all his heavenly hosts, you his servants who do his will.” (Psalm103:20-21)

God is totally holy, he cannot look upon sin, and anything in sin that would face him would be instantly destroyed - therefore the world is shielded from God by his mighty angels who interject for Him:

• “Praise the LORD, my soul. LORD my God, you are very great; you are clothed with splendor and majesty. The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent… He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants.” (psalm 104:4)

These verses, and I’m sure there are more, show that God sends his ‘Angelos’ (Messengers, Spirit entities who are doers of the Will of God) to do his bidding. YHWH, the name of this deity, God to the Jews, is seated in glorious light on His throne in Heaven. He makes his plans and decides on the course of life for the whole world… and then he dispatches appropriate authorised angels to carry out His actions in the world. This shows how might this God is. He simply speaks - he utters his thoughts - and His word is actioned by his messengers!

Ask yourself if there is any mightier a being and if any such a being would actually carry out their own commands and biddings? Even earthly human kings issue commands and edicts which are carried out by emissaries, ambassadors, ministers, servants, and slaves… the king does not himself carry out his own commands, edicts, laws, etc.

YET…. in summary, each and every edict, command, order, … is SAID to be ‘By the King’… : ‘The King, Xerxes, killed his high official, Haman…’, for instance. But, of course, it was executioners who did the actual killing - on the command of Xerxes…

 

[101G]

Almighty God is Spirit. He never CHANGES to anything - He is what He is which is why he called Homself: ‘YHWH’… and that is exactly what it means: “I never change… I Am, I just am!’

God do changes his mind, short term. and did he not transfigure himself on the mountain. yes, God is Spirit, but can he not provide Intrinsic Spatial as he wills?

God is totally holy, he cannot look upon sin, and anything in sin that would face him would be instantly destroyed - therefore the world is shielded from God by his mighty angels who interject for Him

HOLD ON as second, is not lying a sin? and the devil/satan LIE, as a matter of fact, he the father of Lies correct. well then, in reading the book of Job, God is having a conversation with satan. as a matter of FACT, satan has to give God a report. so where are the angels there?

understand something, the Devil has his J.O.B. to do. he's an angel, Just because he's EVIL, do not mean he's sin, even if he LIES in someone else mouth. example, Jehoshaphat, joined in affinity with Ahab, is persuaded to go with him against Ramoth-gilead. HOW? by a lying spirit from HEAVEN. let's check the record, and you can read the account later.

this is God prophet speaking. 2 Chronicles 18:18 "Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left." 2 Chronicles 18:19 "And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner." 2 Chronicles 18:20 "Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?" 2 Chronicles 18:21 "And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so."
THIS TOOK PLACE IN HEAVEN.

I understand satan is EVIL, but God created EVIL. and evil is for a reason in God economy of things. yes, God have holy angels, but also evil angels...... all are under his control as with Satan.

and in the book of Job, God set boundaries as to how far satan was to go with Job.

now lastly, something to think about. just because someone is EVIL, (here angels), as with the devil, but is he SIN? as in the Garden, the devil was a lying spirit in the mouth of the serpent. think about it. just as the spirit that was in Heaven became, not that the spirit was, but became a lying spirit in those prophet mouth.

101G.

 

[rational experiences]

GINOLJC, to all,
First thanks for the reply.

ERROR, the Name of God YESHUA/JESUS was before the EARTH, or Heaven. and given to mankind, BEFORE the flesh was even conceived in the womb.

that's a simile

but that's the end result, to be with his people.

personal opinions I care less about.

101G.

TH numbers of O.

Double Inferred.

TH O TH. God of numbers.

Reconciled as four TH...fif TH...six TH...seven TH... eigh TH ..nin TH...tenTH.... eleven TH...Twelve TH.

As men stated science began by calculus multiplications. 2 X 2.

TH IS..IS..JE SUS. King of Kings.

Notice mother son is referenced secretly...Jesus and Isis.

So you realise the meanings were science.

When you apply data to the worded inference. Men said it was the number factor of phi. A letter as numerical factor.

As men live inside heavens mass. O the circle is inferred as GODs body.

Where earth released as energy mass creating it's hot dense volcanic gas into spaces womb.

Why it's GOD s body.

It became mass and immaculate. Not gods body.

Clear defines no circle. When you think as man the theist had.

So the terms references about theism exist before all things exists before all things to thesis.

As you begin to thesis thesis you end to begin the actual thesis. Lots of inconsequential thoughts exists first said the philosopher.

A phi... look and SEE term.. philosophy.

Philosophers secrets words of meaning. Only their special group knew.

They marvelled at themselves.

As PHI...eye sun RA SEE. Pharisee.

Is one of the secret meanings. Only we see as what we want. As in fact it's not seen..it's magic.

Being their message that only each initiate understood.

You'd have to realise men of the past weren't consciously present in origin science thoughts.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Isaiah, in his prophecies, mentions Moses by name (Isaiah 63). Psalms, written by David, also mention Moses. There is even one psalm [Psalms 90] that has the title, 'A prayer of Moses'. So gradually, we edge our way closer and closer to the historical Moses, whose position in the Egyptian hierarchy was high enough to provide more solid evidence

Are there references prior to the monarchy?

 

[101G]

TH numbers of O.

Double Inferred.

TH O TH. God of numbers.

Reconciled as four TH...fif TH...six TH...seven TH... eigh TH ..nin TH...tenTH.... eleven TH...Twelve TH.

As men stated science began by calculus multiplications. 2 X 2.

TH IS..IS..JE SUS. King of Kings.

Notice mother son is referenced secretly...Jesus and Isis.

So you realise the meanings were science.

When you apply data to the worded inference. Men said it was the number factor of phi. A letter as numerical factor.

As men live inside heavens mass. O the circle is inferred as GODs body.

Where earth released as energy mass creating it's hot dense volcanic gas into spaces womb.

Why it's GOD s body.

It became mass and immaculate. Not gods body.

Clear defines no circle. When you think as man the theist had.

So the terms references about theism exist before all things exists before all things to thesis.

As you begin to thesis thesis you end to begin the actual thesis. Lots of inconsequential thoughts exists first said the philosopher.

A phi... look and SEE term.. philosophy.

Philosophers secrets words of meaning. Only their special group knew.

They marvelled at themselves.

As PHI...eye sun RA SEE. Pharisee.

Is one of the secret meanings. Only we see as what we want. As in fact it's not seen..it's magic.

Being their message that only each initiate understood.

You'd have to realise men of the past weren't consciously present in origin science thoughts.

?

101G.

 

[Redemptionsong]

I agree that eternal life DEPENDS ON KNOWING the ONLY TRUE GOD… and on knowing Jesus Christ.

Scripture says that he who believes in the Father must also believe in the Son. That is absolutely correct since the Father gave the son His (The Father) testimonial for the sin to give to mankind.

And he did exactly that… which is why Jesus says: ‘Father, I have given them THE WORD you gave me and they have received it… now they know that you sent me!’

Great, we have established that the Father is the giver of great things including the revelation about Himself, to the son, and it is by this means - the delivering of that testimonial, and the expedition of the power in the world (as seen by Jews at that time) - that Jesus achieves the glory from the Father that awaited him.

Also, Jesus claims that one of those great powers granted to him by the Father is that of raising the dead: ‘Just as the Father has life in him so he has GRANTED the son to have life in him, also’ (John 5:26)

I just realised there is a double meaning in that verse:

1. That Jesus will live because the Father will raise him from the dead
2. That Jesus will also grant eternal life to those whom he deems worthy of such

Taken together we have: Jesus is given life by the Father, and in turn will give life to to those whom Jesus will judge as worthy for his kingdom.

God is “Father” (‘He that gives life’) of Jesus Christ… but Jesus died (was killed) and afterwards was RAISED TO ETERNAL LIFE by the Father (‘He that gives life’)

All mankind that are God’s will first die before they are raised up again to eternal life … By Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus will be “Father” (He that gives life”) to them… but not just ‘Life’ but “ETERNAL LIFE”… hence Jesus WILL BE CALLED ‘Eternal Father’ at the. Judgement seat.

There’s more but I hope this is enough to give you a flavour of the truth.

It's a bit presumptuous of you to claim to teach the 'truth', when Jesus tells us that it's the Holy Spirit that guides a person into 'all truth' [John 16:13].

If you believe that Jesus will be called 'Eternal Father' at the judgement seat, why do you reject the deity of Christ (a fundamental belief of trinitarians)?

And where do you see the Holy Spirit fitting into this equation? Is the Holy Spirit not the Spirit of the Father?

How can one accept that the Father is 'above', 'amongst' and 'within' without also accepting 'trinitarianism'?

 

[101G]

It's a bit presumptuous of you to claim to teach the 'truth', when Jesus tells us that it's the Holy Spirit that guides a person into 'all truth' [John 16:13].

If you believe that Jesus will be called 'Eternal Father' at the judgement seat, why do you reject the deity of Christ (a fundamental belief of trinitarians)?

And where so you see the Holy Spirit fitting into this equation? Is the Holy Spirit not the Spirit of the Father?

How can one accept that the Father is 'above', 'amongst' and 'within' without also accepting 'trinitarianism'?

first thanks for the reply, and understand, "I'm not 'trinitarian". but the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus. was it not the Holy Spirit that was in the prophets of Old? scripture, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

now this, the same apostle, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

where was the Spirit of Christ? answer... "IN THEM, THE PROPHETS"

now is this the same "ONE" Spirit or two separate Spirits?

I'll be looking for your answer.

101G.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Are there references prior to the monarchy?

In Exodus 33:20 it says:
'And he [the LORD] said, Thou [Moses] canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live'.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Sorry to intrude in your interesting debate with dybmh, but the argument that God PERSONALLY AND BODILY appeared to anyone is false.

Almighty God is Spirit. He never CHANGES to anything - He is what He is which is why he called Homself: ‘YHWH’… and that is exactly what it means: “I never change… I Am, I just am!’

Almighty God always dispatches an angel of suitable authoritative level to do his bidding and talk His words, desires, and commands, to mankind:

• “In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” (Hebrews 1:7)
• “For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;” (Psalm 91:11)
• “Praise the LORD, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word. Praise the LORD, all his heavenly hosts, you his servants who do his will.” (Psalm103:20-21)

God is totally holy, he cannot look upon sin, and anything in sin that would face him would be instantly destroyed - therefore the world is shielded from God by his mighty angels who interject for Him:

• “Praise the LORD, my soul. LORD my God, you are very great; you are clothed with splendor and majesty. The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent… He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants.” (psalm 104:4)

These verses, and I’m sure there are more, show that God sends his ‘Angelos’ (Messengers, Spirit entities who are doers of the Will of God) to do his bidding. YHWH, the name of this deity, God to the Jews, is seated in glorious light on His throne in Heaven. He makes his plans and decides on the course of life for the whole world… and then he dispatches appropriate authorised angels to carry out His actions in the world. This shows how might this God is. He simply speaks - he utters his thoughts - and His word is actioned by his messengers!

Ask yourself if there is any mightier a being and if any such a being would actually carry out their own commands and biddings? Even earthly human kings issue commands and edicts which are carried out by emissaries, ambassadors, ministers, servants, and slaves… the king does not himself carry out his own commands, edicts, laws, etc.

YET…. in summary, each and every edict, command, order, … is SAID to be ‘By the King’… : ‘The King, Xerxes, killed his high official, Haman…’, for instance. But, of course, it was executioners who did the actual killing - on the command of Xerxes…

I agree with much of what you say, but you fail to mention that the LORD, as the Almighty Creator, is able to take any form he wishes to take, in order to mix with men! So, to appear as 'the angel of the LORD' means that God's authority is present on earth, and no passing of messages back and forth is necessary. This is why the 'third angel' communed with Abraham and negotiated the numbers that might survive the destruction of Sodom. This angel did not ask for instruction or 'time out', he negotiated on his own.

Nor does God, as Spirit, have to extend Himself in order to take these forms. God is able to exist transcendently and imminently without compromise to His essence or power. The only condition that He appears to have set Himself is that these appearances are always singular, not plural, leaving men in no doubt about the 'oneness' of God. So, although three angels appeared to Abraham, only one was 'the LORD'.

 

[Soapy]

Apparently, according to Ezekiel 39:20 after the LORD takes the combined house of Judah and Ephraim out of the nations (Ezekiel 36:24-29) and has settled them into "their own land", "I will not hide my face from them any longer" (Ezekiel 39:29). This all happens after the "day of the LORD" Joel 2:31-32, after they have all been through the "fire" (Malachi 3:3). (Zechariah 13:8) "Third part through the fire", survive.

To ‘Show his face’ or ‘Not hide his face’, just means that GOD wing hide His intentions, His plans, the directions He will be taking with the them.

It has nothing to do with any kind of physical vision, visual encounter, or optical effect.

 

[Soapy]

I agree with much of what you say, but you fail to mention that the LORD, as the Almighty Creator, is able to take any form he wishes to take, in order to mix with men! So, to appear as 'the angel of the LORD' means that God's authority is present on earth, and no passing of messages back and forth is necessary. This is why the 'third angel' communed with Abraham and negotiated the numbers that might survive the destruction of Sodom. This angel did not ask for instruction or 'time out', he negotiated on his own.

Nor does God, as Spirit, have to extend Himself in order to take these forms. God is able to exist transcendently and imminently without compromise to His essence or power. The only condition that He appears to have set Himself is that these appearances are always singular, not plural, leaving men in no doubt about the 'oneness' of God. So, although three angels appeared to Abraham, only one was 'the LORD'.

Sheesh…!!! Who taught you this sad nonsense?

 

[101G]

In Exodus 33:20 it says:
'And he [the LORD] said, Thou [Moses] canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live'.

John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."

Revelation 4:1 "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: (God is a Spirit). and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

well John "LOOK UPON" God, but yes, he was in the .... Spirit... when he "LOOKED", (smile). what did the Lord Jesus say? "save he which is of God", and God is a Spirit. and John was out of the Body.

Isaiah saw the Lord, as well as the priest and prophet Ezekiel and our brother Daniel, but all was in a VISION. but they did see God. Just as the seventy elders. Exodus 24:9 "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:" Exodus 24:10 "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."

now if they saw God in a vision, the bible do not say, but what it do say is that they SAW GOD.

101G.

 

[101G]

I agree with much of what you say, but you fail to mention that the LORD, as the Almighty Creator, is able to take any form he wishes to take, in order to mix with men! So, to appear as 'the angel of the LORD' means that God's authority is present on earth, and no passing of messages back and forth is necessary. This is why the 'third angel' communed with Abraham and negotiated the numbers that might survive the destruction of Sodom. This angel did not ask for instruction or 'time out', he negotiated on his own.

Nor does God, as Spirit, have to extend Himself in order to take these forms. God is able to exist transcendently and imminently without compromise to His essence or power. The only condition that He appears to have set Himself is that these appearances are always singular, not plural, leaving men in no doubt about the 'oneness' of God. So, although three angels appeared to Abraham, only one was 'the LORD'.

Good, now the revealing scripture, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."

101G.

 

[Redemptionsong]

first thanks for the reply, and understand, "I'm not 'trinitarian". but the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus. was it not the Holy Spirit that was in the prophets of Old? scripture, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

now this, the same apostle, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

where was the Spirit of Christ? answer... "IN THEM, THE PROPHETS"

now is this the same "ONE" Spirit or two separate Spirits?

I'll be looking for your answer.

101G.

I'm very wary of labels, and being labelled a 'trinitarian' does not mean l agree with all is taught on the subject.

Nevertheless, l would like to be explicit about the things that l believe are true to scripture.

First, l believe Ephesians 4:6 is a 'trinitarian' statement of faith. It makes clear that God the Father is able to exist 'above', 'amongst' (translated 'through'), and 'within'. In essence, this is what the redemptive process is all about. God comes to earth to save mankind, and offer eternal life.

The Bible is itself, l believe, revealed over time in the same 'trinitarian' manner. In the Tanakh, God the Father is 'above', in the Gospels He appears 'amongst' men 'in flesh and blood', and in Acts onwards we see the Spirit of Christ (and Father) at work 'within' the Church.

There is, also, l believe, a difference between the 'covering' of the Holy Spirit upon prophets in the OT, as compared with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit after Pentecost. If this were not the case, then Jesus would not have said, 'he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he (John the Baptist)'! [Luke 7:28]

 

[Soapy]

God do changes his mind, short term. and did he not transfigure himself on the mountain. yes, God is Spirit, but can he not provide Intrinsic Spatial as he wills?

HOLD ON as second, is not lying a sin? and the devil/satan LIE, as a matter of fact, he the father of Lies correct. well then, in reading the book of Job, God is having a conversation with satan. as a matter of FACT, satan has to give God a report. so where are the angels there?

understand something, the Devil has his J.O.B. to do. he's an angel, Just because he's EVIL, do not mean he's sin, even if he LIES in someone else mouth. example, Jehoshaphat, joined in affinity with Ahab, is persuaded to go with him against Ramoth-gilead. HOW? by a lying spirit from HEAVEN. let's check the record, and you can read the account later.

this is God prophet speaking. 2 Chronicles 18:18 "Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left." 2 Chronicles 18:19 "And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner." 2 Chronicles 18:20 "Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?" 2 Chronicles 18:21 "And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so."
THIS TOOK PLACE IN HEAVEN.

I understand satan is EVIL, but God created EVIL. and evil is for a reason in God economy of things. yes, God have holy angels, but also evil angels...... all are under his control as with Satan.

and in the book of Job, God set boundaries as to how far satan was to go with Job.

now lastly, something to think about. just because someone is EVIL, (here angels), as with the devil, but is he SIN? as in the Garden, the devil was a lying spirit in the mouth of the serpent. think about it. just as the spirit that was in Heaven became, not that the spirit was, but became a lying spirit in those prophet mouth.

101G.

A Spirit is not flesh.

Angels are Spirits.

When it is said that God cannot look upon sin, it us not to be taken as though God has physical eyes that see rays of light that rebound off physical objects.

The Spirit that sins is doomed to destruction. As soon as the angel called ‘[the] Satan’ lied, he was doomed to eternal death. But angels are not made in the image of God!! Angels cannot be forgiven if they sin.

Mankind IS made in the image of God. If you read your scriptures correctly you will see that God proposed to destroy man because of his sinfulness - but he relented because man is His Image.

Destruction does not have to be an immediate event of an entity sins. God does not need instant action… once a ruling is put in force, that’s it… God cannot change His mind… A change of mind is an indicator of a mistake being made… God does not make mistakes! Angels know that sin means destruction and so those who rebelled with ‘Satan’ will be excessively active in trying to persuade man to also disobey God… “I’m going to going to be destroyed - so I’ll take as many of Gods children with me to destruction as I can!!”

For God, now, to look upon man in man’ sinfulness would mean destroying them… so God does not ‘show himself’ to man (aka: the story of Moses and God!). In fact, God shields himself and only sends his angels to mankind… and, at the end of time, the immortal and glorified man, Jesus Christ, acts as the mediator between Man and God since Jesus Christ is the only one of mankind who is without sin.

To ‘See’ (‘Chazah’ in Hebrew) means, by context, “perceive with the inner vision, only”

Moses and selected men ‘Chazah’ God but were not destroyed but actually ate and drank in the ‘presence’ of the vision of God (Exo 24:11)

 

[Soapy]

I'm very wary of labels, and being labelled a 'trinitarian' does not mean l agree with all is taught on the subject.

Nevertheless, l would like to be explicit about the things that l believe are true to scripture.

First, l believe Ephesians 4:6 is a 'trinitarian' statement of faith. It makes clear that God the Father is able to exist 'above', 'amongst' (translated 'through'), and 'within'. In essence, this is what the redemptive process is all about. God comes to earth to save mankind, and offer eternal life.

The Bible is itself, l believe, revealed over time in the same 'trinitarian' manner. In the Tanakh, God the Father is 'above', in the Gospels He appears 'amongst' men 'in flesh and blood', and in Acts onwards we see the Spirit of Christ (and Father) at work 'within' the Church.

There is, also, l believe, a difference between the 'covering' of the Holy Spirit upon prophets in the OT, as compared with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit after Pentecost. If this were not the case, then Jesus would not have said, 'he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he (John the Baptist)'! [Luke 7:28]

I’m glad you state that it is only what you believe…

It certainly isn’t what scriptures teaches.

Which church do you get indoctrinated by?

 

[101G]

When it is said that God cannot look upon sin, it us not to be taken as though God has physical eyes that see rays of light that rebound off physical objects.

look is to know, or have, or obtain knowledge see is to understand

Angels cannot be forgiven if they sin.

where is that verse?

The Spirit that sins is doomed to destruction.

1 Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

now this, 1 Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." 1 Corinthians 15:40 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."
101G.

 

[Redemptionsong]

John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."

Revelation 4:1 "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: (God is a Spirit). and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

well John "LOOK UPON" God, but yes, he was in the .... Spirit... when he "LOOKED", (smile). what did the Lord Jesus say? "save he which is of God", and God is a Spirit. and John was out of the Body.

Isaiah saw the Lord, as well as the priest and prophet Ezekiel and our brother Daniel, but all was in a VISION. but they did see God. Just as the seventy elders. Exodus 24:9 "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:" Exodus 24:10 "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."

now if they saw God in a vision, the bible do not say, but what it do say is that they SAW GOD.

101G.

Yes, l agree with what you say here.

A man cannot see God unless he sees with 'the eyes of righteousness'. [Psalm 17:15]

And when one asks who saw God in appearance, is it not the men who lived by faith?

 

[101G]

Nevertheless, l would like to be explicit about the things that l believe are true to scripture.

First, l believe Ephesians 4:6 is a 'trinitarian' statement of faith.

May I ask you a question. "when you use the term Father as a title, are you using it as a biological tile, or a designation title as in "First", or "CREATOR?"

101G.