For a 10 year old?
No, let's not have them go through that, eh?
My mother had a C-section, it's not some simple procedure, and certainly not one that a 10 year old would recover from well.
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Is It Really Just Your Body?
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For a 10 year old?
No, let's not have them go through that, eh?
My mother had a C-section, it's not some simple procedure, and certainly not one that a 10 year old would recover from well.
You seem determined for children to stay pregnant why is that?
Wildswanderer
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10 year olds are extremely resilient. Much more so than older people.
Wildswanderer
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Because killing kids is wrong.
The only child in this situation is the ten year old.
Heyo
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What is your moral pillar you base that opinion on?
(Did I ask you that question before? I asked someone and never got an answer.)
Wildswanderer
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That is a very strange conclusion.
Wildswanderer
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On the belief that murder is wrong which is true for most of the world population.
Not as strange as yours, if you actually think about which life matters more. The still developing and growing child whowas raped. Or the unconscious fetus.
Check the link I posted above.
Never mind. Here it is again.
Doctors Appalled By 10-Year-Old Giving Birth
And in case you want to not read it:
"Any 10-year-old who is pregnant has already been abused significantly by somebody," he said. "That probably should go without saying."
"Nor are 10-, 11- and 12-year-olds remotely prepared to care for a baby, Wall said. But the risks are physical, as well.
The placenta preferentially will take nutrition from the mother, who really is a child," said Sherry Thomas, an ob/gyn at Mission Community Hospital in Panorama City, Calif. That means that the developing fetus will leach calcium and other nutrients from a child who should still be growing herself. Likewise, pregnancy puts a major strain on the cardiovascular system, according to Wall. Pregnant women have about 50 percent more blood circulating through their bodies compared with non-pregnant women. [8 Odd Bodily Changes During Pregnancy]
The greatest danger, however, is to the pelvic floor. Girls may start ovulating and menstruating as early as age 9, though the average is around 12 to 13. (Some studies suggest that the average age of first menstruation is dropping, but the data is not conclusive.) Just because a girl can get pregnant, though, doesn't mean she can safely deliver a baby. The pelvis does not fully widen until the late teens, meaning that young girls may not be able to push the baby through the birth canal."
Does this not matter to you. If your okay with children bearing children just let me know.
Wildswanderer
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Why should one life matter more than another?
But the the real issue here is that you want to focus on the exception rather than the rule. Even if a doctor concludes that the fetus has to be removed to save this girl this is a one in a million case. The other 99.9 percent of abortions that are done for convenience can't be justified by pointing to one exception. That's like saying that the Holocaust was ok as long as the Nazis used the knowledge they gained from butchering Jews to operate on a few patients and save someone's life.
Because one is viable and the other isn't?
A fetus that dies is reborn to another family shortly thereafter. It just want their time then.
I don't believe your 99% stat. I can pull numbers out my *** to
It's not murder, because it wasn't alive.to begin with. There is no soul in a fetus.
tarasan
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Yeah this isn't a very good example. In the example she is just withholding help, with abortion u are actively killing someone. Also there comes to the notion of responsibility. In the vast vast majority of cases the sex is consensual with both parties knowing what the risks are. When the child is created she is wholly unresponsible for what her parents have done. Under the law parents are responsible for their childrens best interests . I'm not saying that there cannot be very specific clauses were maybe u would save the mother over the child but they are outliers and very rare.
The crux as it always has been is not if the child in the womb is a human being or if they are alive, but rather if their life has enough meaning to warrant the states protection.
I see either one as actively killing imo. And the fact still stands that a woman has less rights then na already dead corpse now
tarasan
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How do they have less rights than a corpse?
You can't take organs from a corpse without express permission of the deceased. You cannot save someone's life, with the organ of someone who has just passed away. A corpse has more bodily autonomy then a woman now.
That's why you opt in or out of organ donation on your ID.
tarasan
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Yeah but that is not her organ though it's a distinct human life with its own unique set of chromosomes. I mean most things that limit our bodily autonomy tend to be for the benefit/preservation of others. For example I couldn't beat someone up or steal from them. It's the same with the foetus, u can't decide just to kill it.
tarasan
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a part of an organism which is typically self-contained and has a specific vital function.
"the internal organs
Firstly thank you I do find myself an optimistic chap
. Secondly an organ is part of the mother, the foetus is a distinct person therefore not part of her. I mean adults share things like blood all the time that doesn't mean we become part of each other. Siemese twins? Also it has to serve a vital function with the baby does not. Pain is a very bad way of deciding life. I mean I can kill people painlessly in a while bunch of ways. I.e. drugged, asleep etc.
a part of an organism which is typically self-contained and has a specific vital function.
"the internal organs
Firstly thank you I do find myself an optimistic chap
Pain is a very bad way of deciding life. I mean I can kill people painlessly in a while bunch of ways. I.e. drugged, asleep etc.
Still dependent upon it's host for survival, until third trimester(ish). As I said the woman has (had) the right to make that decision. And if you don't think she does. Watch them do it illegally one way or the other. Even the church used to help perform abortions.
Abortion Remedies from a Medieval Catholic Nun(!) - JSTOR Daily