Sand Dancer
Currently catless
It depends on the state. In the Bible, it's just a fine given to the husband, unless the woman dies, then it's murder.
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Is It Really Just Your Body?
- Thread starter The Hammer
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It depends on the state. In the Bible, it's just a fine given to the husband, unless the woman dies, then it's murder.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
As even worse than the pain one buddy, 5 year olds are dependant on their mother. Leave toddler in a forest and see how long they last. Just because someone is dependant on u doesn't mean u have control over life or death. We outlawed murder but people still do it buddy, and as for the church I honestly don't care what they did beforehand it what we do now that is important. I mean we have people in hospitals dependant on people we don't arbitrarily kill them.
A 5 year old isn't dependent on its mother breathing for him to survive. Nice try.
They also aren't required to both be connected via a dialysis machine for them both to survive either.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
Leave the 5 year old in a forest see how long he lasts, is amazing the kinds of things people need
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Leave the 5 year old in a forest see how long he lasts, is amazing the kinds of things people need
That's why it takes a village.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
Well I have worked in care for a long time and while it is very challenging single parents can do it. Although not ideal by any stretch.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Yes, only that most of the world's population doesn't agree upon what murder is. When we take the usual definition of "unlawful killing" we see that we don't argue morality but legality. And then abortion is only wrong when it's prohibited.
Can you formulate that so that it's a moral imperative that doesn't depend on legality?
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
Well there are 4 ideas, that sort of go together here. There is a pregnant mother; a mother and a fetus, and both are embedded in society, and all of that is embedded in nature. Nature > society > mother > fetus. It seems relevant that sometimes, society and/or nature make some choices for the humans in it. We have go along with the constraints and rules, as they emanate from the two forces that are external to us.
And so you can with this mathematical arrangement, the mother would have primacy over the fetus. Just as the forces to the left of the mother, in the equation, might have primacy over individual humans
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Gooblygook. We know in our hearts that taking an innocent human life is wrong. It's nothing to do with legality.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That's just an unproven assumption some make to justify it.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Nonsense. And you just contradicted yourself. How could he be reborn to another family if he has no soul?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You are just diverting. Again most abortion is for convenience. You can't justify that by the rare exception that isn't.
That was to assuage your guilt, not mine
, from my philisophical perspective, interpreting yours (that it has a soul).
Who cares what it's for? It's still not the governments decision. Woman and Doctor, period.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Who is that "We"? Because I make decisions with by mind and I don't have to constrain life to "innocent" to make my ethics work.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Why would I have guilt about this? I haven't aborted anyone.That was to assuage your guilt, not mine
It was a figure of speech and the best emotion I could think of as to why you'd actually care.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I don't understand what guilt has to do with caring about unborn children. It's normal human compassion.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Murder" is a legal term that would only apply here ft the civil laws on the books said it is "murder".
If an 18-year-old is raped and becomes pregnant and gets a planned abortion in a state whereas getting an abortion would be classified as "murder", would you be willing as a judge to give her the death sentence? This is quite possibly a real case scenario, btw.