Is it religiously wrong to commit a suicide?

[ArtieE]

Interestingly enough, most people seem to say that suicide will get you a one way ticket to hell.
Except when you lay down your life for another life....

So it seems to me that religion is really a means of justifying peoples beliefs concerning suicide more so than shaping said beliefs.

Since we are social animals living in communities killing oneself is justified if ones death is more beneficial than detrimental for the community and the people in it. Religions just reflect this.

 

[McBell]

Since we are social animals living in communities killing oneself is justified if ones death is more beneficial than detrimental for the community and the people in it. Religions just reflect this.

For which community?
Do you think suicide bombers are committing suicide for benefit of their community?
If not, then why do you think they are committing suicide?

I suspect they are committing suicide because they believe it benefits their community, regardless of how idealistic the community they commit suicide for is.

 

[ArtieE]

For which community?
Do you think suicide bombers are committing suicide for benefit of their community?
If not, then why do you think they are committing suicide?

Good question. I have here a good article explaining that. http://mb-soft.com/public/terroris.html

 

[McBell]

Good question. I have here a good article explaining that. http://mb-soft.com/public/terroris.html

Which leads us to who gets to decide what is beneficial and what is not beneficial......

 

[Milton Platt]

This is one of the types of permitted martyrdom. If a Jew is told to transgress a Law in public or doesn't happen in public but is due to a general decree against Judaism, then he is required to martyr himself. According to the Talmud, in such a case, even to change a communal custom like the color of one's shoelaces one is required to martyr oneself over.
So in this case where they are commanded to eat pig, this was during a general decree against Judaism, so it was permitted.

It is obviously wrong RELIGIOUSLY (depending upon the religion and then the particular version of the religion) to commit suicide. Your question is to vague. It seems to imply there is only one religion in the world. Perhaps a more practical question to ask is "is it in reality wrong to commit suicide?"

 

[Tumah]

It is obviously wrong RELIGIOUSLY (depending upon the religion and then the particular version of the religion) to commit suicide. Your question is to vague. It seems to imply there is only one religion in the world. Perhaps a more practical question to ask is "is it in reality wrong to commit suicide?"

I think you may have intended to quote someone else.

 

[Shia Islam]

No worries..
Only asking cause i really am intrigued about the subject...

So I really wonder if it is okay or not based on religious aspects to take your own life?

Now, if the answer is no.. Why not?

(remaining of the message not read)

In this life you have responsibilities toward your fellow humans..
You can't just leave the tap open and leave!

 

[ArtieE]

Which leads us to who gets to decide what is beneficial and what is not beneficial......

Nobody gets to decide what IS beneficial. People may have subjective opinions about WHAT is objectively beneficial but they don't decide what IS objectively beneficial.

 

[Segev Moran]

In this life you have responsibilities toward your fellow humans..
You can't just leave the tap open and leave!

I Was talking about taking my OWN life.. not anyone's else...
For the argument sake, Lets assume I Have no friends, No Family and no one is aware of my existence nor will my absence will be noticed by anyone...

 

[Shia Islam]

... no one is aware of my existence nor will my absence will be noticed by anyone...

You can't assume what can never happen...
Making such impossible assumptions shows that the case you are trying to prove can't be proven.

 

[Segev Moran]

You can't assume what can never happen...
Making such impossible assumptions shows that the case you are trying to prove can't be proven.

I'm not trying to prove anything...
Just trying to really understand the different religious aspects regarding suicide.

 

[Thanda]

In a god point of view? It's wrong because god gave you (people in general) life. The consensus is only god can create and take lives. Kind of like a parent has the right to take the life of their child because they created the child. Weird concept, but there ya go.

I have problem with this statement. Parents don't create they children. It is like saying someone who puts a apple seed in the earth has created the resulting apple tree. A human being is very complex, those who involuntarily ejaculate and gestate cannot be properly called creators except in the loosest sense of the word.

 

[Thanda]

Didn't Jesus come here on a suicide mission ?.

Of course not.

 

[Thanda]

The problem with suicide from my religious perspective is that in the after life we cannot die. Therefore what will we do when life of the other side becomes too stressful? We are on this earth to learn strategies of how to cope with hardships. Therefore solutions, like drinking your problems away, or killing yourself are wrong because they don't give you sustainable solutions to the challenges you face and you will be none the wiser in the after life about how to really deal with you issues.

Likewise killing some else to solve a problem also has the same drawback in that you will not be able to murder your problems away in the afterlife and so your "solution", in the eternal scheme of things, is no solution at all

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have problem with this statement. Parents don't create they children. It is like saying someone who puts a apple seed in the earth has created the resulting apple tree. A human being is very complex, those who involuntarily ejaculate and gestate cannot be properly called creators except in the loosest sense of the word.

You got the context, right? Replace create with have.

Mother has a child. She is responsible for that child. In a god view, it makes it seem she has the right to take her child's life because the child is hers.

 

[McBell]

Of course not.

Then what was his mission if not to die for everyones sins?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

No worries..
Only asking cause i really am intrigued about the subject...

So I really wonder if it is okay or not based on religious aspects to take your own life?

Now, if the answer is no.. Why not?

I Can assume that it got something to do with the fact that our body is not really ours to end and it is only up to god...
If so, How come its okay to take the life of someone else?
And of course not... I'm not talking about murder.. I'm talking about "Justified" murder...

Who claimed its OK to kill person A and not Person B?
In the ten commandments, i haven't seen any references to the fact you can kill someone if its war..
Or if he is a murderer...
Or if he is trying to kill you..
Or whatever reasons we humans find...

Now.. assuming GOD did say.. Ok ok... do not murder unless it is someone who tries to take your land or it will be safer for the environment to kill him or whatever...Than it's fine...

So if that is true, what if I know I am about to commit a terrible thing and the only thing to stop my self is to kill myself?

Please help a confused man

The Bible does not make any direct reference to suicide that I can recall.
But suicide would logically be a lack of faith
as any situation is redeemable according to Christian beliefs.

 

[Thanda]

You got the context, right? Replace create with have.

Mother has a child. She is responsible for that child. In a god view, it makes it seem she has the right to take her child's life because the child is hers.

I see what you are trying to say. But the child is not hers in the sense that the child is her property or creation. The child is only hers in the sense that she has a relationship and association with the child. In a religious perspective we believe God had actually created us and given us life - that is, we would not be on this earth if God did not execute a plan to make it possible for us to live here. Therefore God's act of creation is deliberate and thoughtful. God has decided to use man as part of the process of creation. The mother and father play a small role in the creation of God's children - they are like employees in God's creation company. Therefore they have no authority over the life of the child.

 

[Thanda]

Then what was his mission if not to die for everyones sins?

It was still not a suicide mission. He only allowed himself to die - he didn't try to get himself killed.

 

[viole]

Of course not.

I agree. People who commit suicide stay dead. Usually.

Ciao

- viole