Is it sin?

[ChristineM]

I studied hard for years--i share facts. God reveals himself to those who put effort forth and love him.

Falsifiable evidence of these facts please. Without that what you have is belief, not fact

 

[Colt]

Actually much is disguised. And its clear in Peter--1000 years is as a day to God--Its been 2 days. And in 70 ad Jerusalem was devasted by the romans. Is that what John spoke of?

John spoke of the long-anticipated "wrath of God" that would accompany the coming of the Jewish Messiah. It was a failed prediction then and a failed prediction now.

In the light of the failure of those erroneous predictions Christian sects had to invent new expectations of a "soon returning" Messiah that would smash up the earth and rule from Davids corrupt throne! Year after year, religious fanatic after religious fanatic, sect after sect has made these false predictions for the last 2000 years.

The basic message of sects like the Jehovah's Witness is "be afraid! The wrath is coming! Join our sect or you are doomed"!

 

[kjw47]

John spoke of the long-anticipated "wrath of God" that would accompany the coming of the Jewish Messiah. It was a failed prediction then and a failed prediction now.

In the light of the failure of those erroneous predictions Christian sects had to invent new expectations of a "soon returning" Messiah that would smash up the earth and rule from Davids corrupt throne! Year after year, religious fanatic after religious fanatic, sect after sect has made these false predictions for the last 2000 years.

The basic message of sects like the Jehovah's Witness is "be afraid! The wrath is coming! Join our sect or you are doomed"!

You dont have a clue bud.

 

[Colt]

You dont have a clue bud.

I know that Jehovah's Witnesses rewrote the Bible to fit their disbelief.

 

[kjw47]

I know that Jehovah's Witnesses rewrote the Bible to fit their disbelief.

Actually to correct the errors that occurred by the religion that came out of Rome-there translations are the altered ones.

FACT--In the OT nearly 6800 places-Every spot-GOD or LORD all capitols-wicked men removed Gods personal name and put titles in its place. They had no right. So every translation without that name in all those spots are altered versions of Gods written word. Not to mention the false council teachings translated in by the religion that came out of Rome. Their own translations expose them as false. So why wont any body believe the things i have shown?

There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT. I will be what i will be is correct. But certain Religions use that false translating to say Jesus claiming to be God when he answered the Pharisees back, But he did not, he just answered their question truthfully. He did not claim to be God in that statement. .
In their own translating at John 1:1 in Greek( lexicon)--The true living God is called HO Theos in the 2nd line at John 1:1--Plain Theos is in the last line =a god small g. Carries the meaning--has godlike qualities--This is why--Acts2:22--God did it all, through Jesus.

 

[Colt]

Actually to correct the errors that occurred by the religion that came out of Rome-there translations are the altered ones.

FACT--In the OT nearly 6800 places-Every spot-GOD or LORD all capitols-wicked men removed Gods personal name and put titles in its place. They had no right. So every translation without that name in all those spots are altered versions of Gods written word. Not to mention the false council teachings translated in by the religion that came out of Rome. Their own translations expose them as false. So why wont any body believe the things i have shown?

There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT. I will be what i will be is correct. But certain Religions use that false translating to say Jesus claiming to be God when he answered the Pharisees back, But he did not, he just answered their question truthfully. He did not claim to be God in that statement. .
In their own translating at John 1:1 in Greek( lexicon)--The true living God is called HO Theos in the 2nd line at John 1:1--Plain Theos is in the last line =a god small g. Carries the meaning--has godlike qualities--This is why--Acts2:22--God did it all, through Jesus.

Fits the JW's preexisting disbelief. "I AM that I AM" is not a proper name anyway. Jesus never used it as a proper name, rather it was a descriptor in reference to his preexistence in heaven as well as a statement of truth or identity. We don't actually know what Gods (the Father) proper name is, IF he has one. Yahweh became YHWH which became Jehovah with Tyndale's 1500's translation. Yahweh was just one of many nature Gods associated with the Sini volcano which was active at the time of the Exodus. In addition, there were 6 more different names for God adopted throughout the evolution of Judaism. El ("God"), Eloah ("God"), Elohim ("Gods"), Shaddai (“Almighty"), Ehyeh (“I Will Be”), and Tzevaot ("[of] Hosts"). The OT books were redacted, edited and rewritten a number of times. The body of the work was finalized during the Babylonian captivity.

The entire scope of Jesus life, teachings and volition are the proof of his divinity.

 

[kjw47]

Fits the JW's preexisting disbelief. "I AM that I AM" is not a proper name anyway. Jesus never used it as a proper name, rather it was a descriptor in reference to his preexistence in heaven as well as a statement of truth or identity. We don't actually know what Gods (the Father) proper name is, IF he has one. Yahweh became YHWH which became Jehovah with Tyndale's 1500's translation. Yahweh was just one of many nature Gods associated with the Sini volcano which was active at the time of the Exodus. In addition, there were 6 more different names for God adopted throughout the evolution of Judaism. El ("God"), Eloah ("God"), Elohim ("Gods"), Shaddai (“Almighty"), Ehyeh (“I Will Be”), and Tzevaot ("[of] Hosts"). The OT books were redacted, edited and rewritten a number of times. The body of the work was finalized during the Babylonian captivity.

The entire scope of Jesus life, teachings and volition are the proof of his divinity.

In the Hebrew written language-Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God only to false gods.--Who are you listening to? They do not have facts.

Jesus teachings point all to his Father-not to himself.
God made sure his truth came back in these last days and it has-Rejected by those in darkness.

Jesus warned you all, you will not listen to him-John 4:22-24

 

[Colt]

In the Hebrew written language-Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God only to false gods.--Who are you listening to? They do not have facts.

Jesus teachings point all to his Father-not to himself.
God made sure his truth came back in these last days and it has-Rejected by those in darkness.

Jesus warned you all, you will not listen to him-John 4:22-24

The Kingdom Hall is an eco-chamber for likeminded people.

Pointed to his Father and to himself:

16Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

 

[kjw47]

The Kingdom Hall is an eco-chamber for likeminded people.

Pointed to his Father and to himself:

16Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Yes all authority had to be given to Jesus by the one he taught was greater than him. The one he calls his God and Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--If he were God he allready would have had that authority. Same as the kingship God is king of Eternity, Jesus had to be appointed Gods king( Daniel 7:13-15) but then after all things made back to perfection( holy) Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father-1Corinthians 15:24-28) and subject himself---God does not have a God--God is in subjection to no one.
The word worship there is error, There are at minimum 5 different meanings of that greek word translated to english, Obesiance to a king is one of them. The Israelites were expecting a king to come not God. Obesiance is the correct translating of that word.

 

[Colt]

Yes all authority had to be given to Jesus by the one he taught was greater than him. The one he calls his God and Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--If he were God he allready would have had that authority. Same as the kingship God is king of Eternity, Jesus had to be appointed Gods king( Daniel 7:13-15) but then after all things made back to perfection( holy) Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father-1Corinthians 15:24-28) and subject himself---God does not have a God--God is in subjection to no one.
The word worship there is error, There are at minimum 5 different meanings of that greek word translated to english, Obesiance to a king is one of them. The Israelites were expecting a king to come not God. Obesiance is the correct translating of that word.

Having successfully completed the incarnate life as one of his own created beings, Christ Michael now has unquestioned sovereignty of his creation.

 

[kjw47]

Having successfully completed the incarnate life as one of his own created beings, Christ Michael now has unquestioned sovereignty of his creation.

Until he hands it back to his God and Father after all things are back to perfection.--New earth-new heaven--Gods kingdom rule in full control of all creation. It is not a new planet.
Yes-Jesus is Michael-a creation. Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation. At Proverbs 8 he tells you so. It is not God speaking, it is his masterworker-The one who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal. Only the one whom God created all other things through has the right to be called his master worker.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
This is a public debate forum, and I will post when I am minded to, you don't get to tell others they can't comment, and you revealed no truth, you just keep making unevidenced claims, even denying scientific facts.

God gave all freewill.

I don't believe you, demonstrate some objective evidence for your claim.

i will use it to not answer you back anymore unless you get so annoying i will keep putting you in your place, so have fun.

Well that is disappointing, I shall undoubtedly miss your vapid arrogant errant verbiage to be sure.

Gods word said the wicked need proof. They have no faith--so sad.

Well of course the bible says that, it would wouldn't it.


There is literally nothing one could not believe based on faith alone. So it is a useless benchmark for belief.

 

[kjw47]

I don't believe you, demonstrate some objective evidence for your claim.



Well that is disappointing, I shall undoubtedly miss your vapid arrogant errant verbiage to be sure.



Well of course the bible says that, it would wouldn't it.


There is literally nothing one could not believe based on faith alone. So it is a useless benchmark for belief.

God reveals himself to all who learn and apply his sons teachings, Obeying Jesus will get you proof. The bible says its proof of ones love for him.

 

[Sheldon]

Actually much is disguised. And its clear in Peter--1000 years is as a day to God--Its been 2 days. And in 70 ad Jerusalem was devasted by the romans. Is that what John spoke of?

Hahahahahhahaha, that's the most desperate rationalisation I've seen for some time.

 

[Colt]

Until he hands it back to his God and Father after all things are back to perfection.--New earth-new heaven--Gods kingdom rule in full control of all creation. It is not a new planet.
Yes-Jesus is Michael-a creation. Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation. At Proverbs 8 he tells you so. It is not God speaking, it is his masterworker-The one who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal. Only the one whom God created all other things through has the right to be called his master worker.

In my theology the earth never was perfection, that’s mythology.

Michael is from the eternal past, a divine Son. He had glory with the Father in heaven before creation as we know it ever existed.

The new heaven and earth is the Mansion worlds. We don’t come back here. Earth was never to be our eternal home.

 

[Sheldon]

I studied hard for years--i share facts.

Study a dictionary for a few seconds, as you don't seem to know what the word fact means.

God reveals himself to those who put effort forth and love him.

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, and judging from your exchanges with other theists, theists seem to see whatever deity they want to believe is revealing itself through their navel gazing.

 

[kjw47]

Hahahahahhahaha, that's the most desperate rationalisation I've seen for some time.

Thats ok Mr Sheldon. I will keep you in my prayers and hope God opens your heart. One way or the other either in a good way or in a bad way all will learn soon.

 

[kjw47]

In my theology the earth never was perfection, that’s mythology.

Michael is from the eternal past, a divine Son. He had glory with the Father in heaven before creation as we know it ever existed.

The new heaven and earth is the Mansion worlds. We don’t come back here. Earth was never to be our eternal home.

The bible says the opposite of what you say--Psalm 37:9-11 -Matthew 5:5--Jesus tells all the same-The Meek will inherit the EARTH.
So tell us all how is it a Mr Colter thinks he knows more than Gods inspired writers and Gods own son? I didnt the name Mr Colter in Gods written word anywhere that one can think they can have their own theology.

 

[kjw47]

Study a dictionary for a few seconds, as you don't seem to know what the word fact means.



That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, and judging from your exchanges with other theists, theists seem to see whatever deity they want to believe is revealing itself through their navel gazing.

Do you mean like these facts found in the encyclopedias? In both celebrations false religion trys to hand to Jesus. The encyclopedias tell the facts-Easter was named directly after the false god-Ishtar-pronounced-easter. As other pagan false god worshipping things were added as well, straight off the table of demons. And Christmas-the saturnalia festival on or about Dec 25th--Where feasting abnd the exchanging of gifts marked this pagan false god worship holiday to the sun. As well as other pagan things added straight off the table of demons. Now Gods word is clear--one cannot partake off his table and the table of demons. Guaranteeing Jesus would not accept either. Not to even mention the name santa unscrambles to satan--And he is stealing 98% of that celebration away from Jesus. Even Dec 25th morning-santa comes FIRST. I will pray for you Mr Sheldon.

 

[Colt]

The bible says the opposite of what you say--Psalm 37:9-11 -Matthew 5:5--Jesus tells all the same-The Meek will inherit the EARTH.
So tell us all how is it a Mr Colter thinks he knows more than Gods inspired writers and Gods own son? I didnt the name Mr Colter in Gods written word anywhere that one can think they can have their own theology.

Meek inheriting the earth is a reference to the original Gospel eventually subduing the world into a future age of light and life. There will be peace on earth and goodwill among all mankind. But this still isn't our permanent home. Death and or translation is normal for man. You have accepted an interpretation of the "meek inheriting the earth".