Is it sin?

[Colt]

We weren't created, we evolved, and all other animals procreate as well.



No it isn't, as I don't believe in any deity. You live your life according to archaic religious diktat if you want, but I'm not going to.



Rubbish, I don't believe in unevidenced supernatural curses from unevidenced deities, that's all. So my morality cares about trying to avoid, and where possible prevent all unnecessary suffering. pleasing one of the thousands of imaginary deities humans have created, simply doesn't feature, that's all. Though I know theists struggle to understand this.

We were created though the process of evolution. Its evolution that evolved a people searching for its God. Atheists are just a committee of negative nags that haven't contributed anything to that spiritual quest.

 

[ChristineM]

Atheists are just a committee of negative nags that haven't contributed anything to that spiritual quest

Or.

Theists are just a committee of negative nags who constantly war among themselves and blame atheist that their spiritual dreams cannot be evidenced.

 

[Link]

Or.

Theists are just a committee of negative nags who constantly war among themselves and blame atheist that their spiritual dreams cannot be evidenced.

Seems both are true.

 

[Audie]

I don't think you know what an oxymoron is.

Wicked desires? Puritans say that singing, dancing, and art are wicked. They might flail a little girl for humming. Is that what a loving God wants?

Who defines "wicked desires?" How are "wicked desires" defined?

Reverend Savonarolla had a Bonfire of the Vanities (burning books and art).

Shall we return to the Dark Ages and torture anyone with what we deem wicked desires?

Do we see witches everywhere we look and murder anyone suspected of witchcraft?

At some point, piety is worse than hedonism.

Taliban, anyone? Isis?

 

[ChristineM]

Seems both are true.

At least on definitely is.

 

[Audie]

Atheist eventually normalize all forms of "sin" because sin is disloyalty to values which come from a moral God.

Terrif spiritual Quest
Justification for such as the inquisition,
or, the guy who said he was waiting for word from
God to start killing all the atheists.

Or, Elizabethan England, where the practice of mathematics was
harshly punished as the sin of witchcraft.

All via what they thought was inerrant reading of scripture.

 

[Colt]

Or.

Theists are just a committee of negative nags who constantly war among themselves and blame atheist that their spiritual dreams cannot be evidenced.

Faith is the proof of religion. Atheist, whose lives are so shallow that they join religious forms to nag people, is the proof of Atheist values.

 

[ChristineM]

Faith is the proof of religion. Atheist whose lives are so shallow that they join religious forms to nag people is the proof of Atheist values.

Actually i have come hear to learn. Surely you've heard of education before haven't you?

Is education an atheist value?

And I've never heard an atheist tell me my children will burn in hell because I don't believe in god magic.

 

[Colt]

Actually i have come hear to learn. Surely you've heard of education before haven't you?

Is education an atheist value?

And I've never heard an atheist tell me my children will burn in hell because I don't believe in god magic.

I don't use the erroneous concepts of evolved religion as an excuse to avoid searching for what is true. Imagine if you only relied on old false beliefs in science as a reason not to discover what is true in science?

 

[ChristineM]

I don't use the erroneous concepts of evolved religion as an excuse to avoid searching for what is true. Imagine if you only relied on old false beliefs in science as a reason not to discover what is true in science?

Sorry, i can't answer that irrelevant drivel honestly without getting a warning..
Lets just say i have learned a considerable amount from you. Thanks

 

[Colt]

Sorry, i can't answer that honesty without getting a warning..
Lets just say i have learned a considerable amount from you.

Having decided the end from the beginning, self-satisfied Atheist aren't teachable.

 

[ChristineM]

Having decided the end from the beginning, self-satisfied Atheist aren't teachable.

Anything else in your clairvoyance cupboard?

 

[Samael_Khan]

We were created though the process of evolution. Its evolution that evolved a people searching for its God. Atheists are just a committee of negative nags that haven't contributed anything to that spiritual quest.

When there is action, there is also an opposite reaction.

Atheism is often times a reaction and critique of the oppression of established and influential religions. That in itself is a contribution to the spiritual quest because in its animosity or apathy towards religion it questions established religious thought which causes people to think deeper about their faith, in a similar vein in which Protestantism challenged the established Catholic church. Opposites are a refining tool for each other, other wise only echo chambers exist and nobody can grow. The worst type of faith is the faith that does not have a growth mindset.

 

[Audie]

When there is action, there is also an opposite reaction.

Atheism is often times a reaction and critique of the oppression of established and influential religions. That in itself is a contribution to the spiritual quest because in its animosity or apathy towards religion it questions established religious thought which causes people to think deeper about their faith, in a similar vein in which Protestantism challenged the established Catholic church. Opposites are a refining tool for each other, other wise only echo chambers exist and nobody can grow. The worst type of faith is the faith that does not have a growth mindset.

I am not atheist in reaction to anything.
No more than I am an a- hollowearthist
in reaction to a hollow earth.
Ive no animosity toward hollowesrthists.
If apathy and ho hum to hollowearth
or theism is inspiratational, thats kind
of weird but if it spins your propeller, ok...

 

[Sheldon]

We were created though the process of evolution.

The scientific theory of evolution neither needs nor evidences any deity.

Its evolution that evolved a people searching for its God.

I am person, I am not searching for any deity, only asking those who keep claiming various deities exist to demonstrate something beyond bare assertions.

Atheists are just a committee of negative nags that haven't contributed anything to that spiritual quest.

Ah, ad hominem fallacies, that doesn't evidence the deity you've imagined real. It's very telling that theists on here, as and elsewhere always end up using known logical fallacies like this. Atheists are not an homogenous group for a start, they have just one thing in common, they don't believe in any deity or deities. So insulting them in a generic way like this is doubly pointless, and I've seen no theist demonstrate anything beyond a bare claim for anything spiritual.

 

[Sheldon]

Faith is the proof of religion.

Ni it isn't, that's just another bare unevidenced claim, each time you are forced to resort to these argument from assertion fallacies, it implies something about the vapidity of your belief.

Atheist, whose lives are so shallow that they join religious forms to nag people, is the proof of Atheist values.

thank you, yes as an atheist I do support freedom of speech and expression, I appreciate you noting that. Now, you're in a debate forum, albeit for general religious debate, crying foul when others challenge your vapid unevidenced claims is silly. The ad hominem again speaks for itself. Is this really how you want to defend your beliefs, with ad hominem attacks and empty unevidenced claims? Again one can only infer that that is all you have. You'd hardly be this angry at others simply not sharing your belief, and saying so, if you could demonstrate anything remotely objective or compelling to support them.

 

[Colt]

When there is action, there is also an opposite reaction.

Atheism is often times a reaction and critique of the oppression of established and influential religions. That in itself is a contribution to the spiritual quest because in its animosity or apathy towards religion it questions established religious thought which causes people to think deeper about their faith, in a similar vein in which Protestantism challenged the established Catholic church. Opposites are a refining tool for each other, other wise only echo chambers exist and nobody can grow. The worst type of faith is the faith that does not have a growth mindset.

Understood, but I doubt the sincerity of many atheists who have actually already made up their minds. They are mainly trolls on religious forums.

 

[Colt]

Ni it isn't, that's just another bare unevidenced claim, each time you are forced to resort to these argument from assertion fallacies, it implies something about the vapidity of your belief.



You're in a debate forum, albeit for general religious debate, crying foul when others challenge your vapid claims is silly. The ad hominem again speaks for itself. Is this really how you want to defend your beliefs, with ad hominem attacks and empty unevidenced claims? Again one can only infer that that is all you have. You'd hardly be this angry at others simply not sharing your belief, and saying so, if you could demonstrate anything remotely objective or compelling to support them.

Faith is the proof of religion, or do you also deny the objective existence of religion on a religious forum?

 

[Sheldon]

I don't use the erroneous concepts of evolved religion as an excuse to avoid searching for what is true.

Yet you fail each and every time to offer anything that demonstrates any truth, only bare unevidenced claims, how does that evidence any deity?

 

[kjw47]

Wicked desires? Puritans say that singing, dancing, and art are wicked. They might flail a little girl for humming. Is that what a loving God wants?

Who defines "wicked desires?" How are "wicked desires" defined?

Reverend Savonarolla had a Bonfire of the Vanities (burning books and art).

Shall we return to the Dark Ages and torture anyone with what we deem wicked desires?

Do we see witches everywhere we look and murder anyone suspected of witchcraft?

At some point, piety is worse than hedonism.

I corinthians 6:9-11,, Galations 5:19-21-- The Greek word for spiritism = Farmacia= drugs. 99% on earth do at least 1 of these.