Is it sin?

[Audie]

Understood, but I doubt the sincerity of many atheists who have actually already made up their minds. They are mainly trolls on religious forums.

As if you have been displaying an open mind

 

[kjw47]

Since we live in the material realm, we all partake in what is considered "wicked desires", including those who claim YHWH as their God, because of man's inherent "sinful" nature. Hence why a certain individual had to become a substitute for sin according to a certain book. Which is why believers pray for forgiveness on a daily basis.

Repentence is what it takes-The turning around and stopping the doing of the things God hates-1Cor 6:9-11-Gal 5:19-21--2 lists both teach--Will not enter Gods kingdom if they practice one of these.
Saying i am sorry and asking forgiveness and then doing it again and asking for forgiveness and this is repeated is not repentence.

 

[Sheldon]

Understood, but I doubt the sincerity of many atheists who have actually already made up their minds. They are mainly trolls on religious forums.

No true Scotsman fallacy, and you can change my mind with sufficient objective evidence. Though the irony of someone who holds a belief claiming those who don't share it have "made up their minds" is manifest. As for trolling, no one has to come to a public debate forum, there forums here that are just for theists after all, and you are the one who has resorted to ad hominem attacks here, more than once.

 

[Sheldon]

Repentence is what it takes-The turning around and stopping the doing of the things God hates-1Cor 6:9-11-Gal 5:19-21--2 lists both teach--Will not enter Gods kingdom if they practice one of these.
Saying i am sorry and asking forgiveness and then doing it again and asking for forgiveness and this is repeated is not repentence.

I don't believe in vicarious redemption, in fact I find the idea morally repugnant, the idea of someone paying for the crimes of another, even voluntarily, but I also don't believe in any deity or deities, so the bare claim is entirely moot here. FYI it's spelled repentance.

 

[Audie]

Faith is the proof of religion, or do you also deny the objective existence of religion on a religious forum?

Faith in some god demonstrates that the
person has faith in some god.

 

[Audie]

No true Scotsman fallacy, and you can change my mind with sufficient objective evidence. Though the irony of someone who holds a belief claiming those who don't share it have "made up their minds" is manifest. As for trolling, no one has to come to a public debate forum, there forums here that are just for theists after all, and you are the one who has resorted to ad hominem attacks here, more than once.

We been asking for some " reason to believe"

 

[Samael_Khan]

Understood, but I doubt the sincerity of many atheists who have actually already made up their minds. They are mainly trolls on religious forums.

There are trolls on all sides. Engage with those who properly engage with the subject matter.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Repentence is what it takes-The turning around and stopping the doing of the things God hates-1Cor 6:9-11-Gal 5:19-21--2 lists both teach--Will not enter Gods kingdom if they practice one of these.
Saying i am sorry and asking forgiveness and then doing it again and asking for forgiveness and this is repeated is not repentence.

Yet, people are prone to doing the same "sins" over and over again because of their sinful nature and how life has conditioned them to be. There is a difference between "sinning" because of your nature, and "sinning" as blatant rebellion towards who you perceive to be the true God. Those scriptures are referring to the latter. Ironically I have never come across a believer who does not in some form succumb to the latter.

 

[Colt]

There are trolls on all sides. Engage with those who properly engage with the subject matter.

I have and will continue. You were that hall monitor kid in school weren't you?

 

[Colt]

Faith in some god demonstrates that the
person has faith in some god.

And faith is an inexplicable gift. If you ever experience it, THEN you will understand.

 

[Colt]

No true Scotsman fallacy, and you can change my mind with sufficient objective evidence. Though the irony of someone who holds a belief claiming those who don't share it have "made up their minds" is manifest. As for trolling, no one has to come to a public debate forum, there forums here that are just for theists after all, and you are the one who has resorted to ad hominem attacks here, more than once.

It seems your Scotsmen was also a stubborn, attention seeking Atheist.

 

[Sheldon]

Yet, people are prone to doing the same "sins" over and over again because of their sinful nature and how life has conditioned them to be. There is a difference between "sinning" because of your nature, and "sinning" as blatant rebellion towards who you perceive to be the true God. Those scriptures are referring to the latter. Ironically I have never come across a believer who does not in some form succumb to the latter.

Describing things as sin has absolutely no meaning to me. Morality for me is about avoiding and where possible preventing unnecessary suffering, and while I accept this is a subjective view, it at least has the merit of treating everyone the same, regardless of their beliefs, or the lack thereof. Don't like abortion, don't have one, don't like unmarried sex or masturbation, don't do it, don't like blasphemy or vituperation, don't do it, don't like gay people, keep it to yourself. just let others live their lives, and you live yours.

 

[Sheldon]

I have and will continue. You were that hall monitor kid in school weren't you?

It's odd you reel of these ad hominem attacks, and accuse others of trolling, you're the one trolling here, clearly. Maybe debate is just not for you, it seems to make you angry and hostile.

 

[Audie]

Yet, people are prone to doing the same "sins" over and over again because of their sinful nature and how life has conditioned them to be. There is a difference between "sinning" because of your nature, and "sinning" as blatant rebellion towards who you perceive to be the true God. Those scriptures are referring to the latter. Ironically I have never come across a believer who does not in some form succumb to the latter.

"Sinful nature"

I dont think that appears in any psych studies

 

[Sheldon]

And faith is an inexplicable gift. If you ever experience it, THEN you will understand.

No true Scotsman fallacy. Religious faith is defined as a strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. There is literally nothing you cannot believe based on that kind of faith alone. Thus to me it seems useless in critically examining claims or beliefs.

 

[Audie]

It's odd you reel of these ad hominem attacks, and accuse others of trolling, you're the one trolling here, clearly. Maybe debate is just not for you, it seems to make you angry and hostile.

Projection is so unsophisticated

 

[Sheldon]

It seems your Scotsmen was also a stubborn, attention seeking Atheist.

Ad hominem fallacy, it seems you have nothing of value, or anything rational to offer, beyond closed minded preaching, and petty insults. Again I have to wonder why you choose a debate forum, if you don't want debate?

 

[Audie]

Describing things as sin has absolutely no meaning to me. Morality for me is about avoiding and where possible preventing unnecessary suffering, and while I accept this is a subjective view, it at least has the merit of treating everyone the same, regardless of their beliefs, or the lack thereof. Don't like abortion, don't have one, don't like unmarried sex or masturbation, don't do it, don't like blasphemy or vituperation, don't do it, don't like gay people, keep it to yourself. just let others live their lives, and you live yours.

I dunno...

The sin of my going about in public with my
hair uncovered is very obviously Sin, as per
Universal recognoition, scads of peer review
AND decree from the Boss. I heard about that.

But my sin nature, well, I just do it anyway!
Up, ponytail, loose, however i want, knowing the
time what await me.

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[Colt]

It's odd you reel of these ad hominem attacks, and accuse others of trolling, you're the one trolling here, clearly. Maybe debate is just not for you, it seems to make you angry and hostile.

Maybe you can dish it out but are too sensitive to dedicate your spare time undermining people's faith in God? After all, what kind of a person would do that?

 

[Samael_Khan]

I have and will continue. You were that hall monitor kid in school weren't you?

Ha! I would have hated to stand out so much in a hall way.... I was actually a library monitor.