roger1440
I do stuff
First up, that is not a "really, really expensive restaurant". Nothing on there menu comes anywhere near $200. Chicken Parm is not listed on there menu. All I did was a simple search. I'll explain in my next post.
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Is it the evil time or what?
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You think having money and "real world successes" in capitalistic systems is what qualifies someone as voices of wisdom and compassion, leaders of humanity? I say that many of these most "successful" people, without their money are empty and vacuous, or worse, predators - far from anyone you should listen to. Many homeless folks have far deeper souls than the most "successful", as you call them. True humanity begins with being broken first.
BTW, having a high IQ is simply a tool. Having a soul is not based on having a high IQ, and having a high IQ when it's used only for yourself shows a lack of depth. In reality, super-smart shallow people, are at the end just shallow people. Depth is something that comes through knowing our humanity. That doesn't come just because you're "smart" and can make lots of money. I don't measure "success" with such superficial things as stacks of money. There is a wisdom that says, "Tax collectors and prostitutes will enter the kingdom before you." What is the real measure of "success"?
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roger1440
I do stuff
I was curious what was on the menu for this “very, very expensive restaurant” and how much they charge for a “chicken parm”. First I had to find out what restaurant this is. After viewing the video several times I noticed the building behind the homeless man had a sign that said “The Manhattan at Times Square Hotel”. I then searched Google and came up with a location, “790 7th Ave, New York, NY 10019”. I then searched Google maps and went to “street view”. I poked around and found the restaurant, “Rosie O'Grady's”. Then I did a search on the restaurant and came across their website, http://rosieogradys.com/ . From there I took a look at their menu. Average price for a dinner of two would range about $60 to $70. This place has a pub style menu located in the theater district of Manhattan. By no means is this place expensive by New York standards. I live in northern New Jersey about 7 or 8 miles west of Manhattan and worked in restaurants for nearly 20 years. My father used to own a restaurant.
Congratulation in calling out the guy's overly-dramatic way to convey just how about the expensive a place like that is to a homeless person. To a homeless person a $35 meal is like a $200 meal is to the average person - an extreme extravagance. He was trying to make a point by getting the average person to think about how wonderful something like that would be to a homeless person through a little "artistic license". It doesn't change the fact the guy wouldn't normally get food from there - except if he could find some leftovers in their dumpster and not get caught digging for it.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I searched as well and some reviews said it costs $ 251 for each person, of course not "take home order"
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTop...E_Rosie_O_Grady_s-New_York_City_New_York.html
They may have down-scaled since those reviews, or that price is for a full-menu special event or something. This is their current menu: http://www.rosieogradys.com/menus/dinner_menu
roger1440
I do stuff
That is for New Years Eve
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Still an expensive restaurant for the homeless and even to the average person, i ain't
sure if what he did was the right thing but he just was kind and generous for the person
once he told him he wishes to eat from the restaurant, maybe he's scrounger specially
that he asked for cash to find a room because as he said tomorrow will be cold.
roger1440
I do stuff
The video makes a spectacle of this homeless man. The money, time and effort used to make and edit this video would have been more wisely used to help this homeless man other ways. What we have here is some rich kid throwing some spare change at some homeless guy and patting himself on the back for the good deed he did that day. Keep in mind from start to finish it would have taken a few hours to make this video.
roger1440
I do stuff
Any restaurant at all would be expensive for most of the homeless.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I think the video is just a mean to motivate the others to help the homeless, it worth the effort.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes indeed, any restaurant will be expensive, then how if a restaurant with stars.
One social experiment done in Egypt for a homeless in a restaurant (actor) and the waiter (actor)
asking the homeless to leave and trying to use the force to push him out, so the response that the
customers were sad and angry while some others get in fight with the waiter.
You think the video was about that one homeless man? The video was about raising public consciousness, raising awareness, to get people to think about the homeless, and so forth. The time and money spent is larger than the one homeless man in the video. It was about starting a conversation, such as the one happening here in this thread right now. What minuscule amount of money and resources that went into the video has returns vastly far beyond that. The guy at the diner video has had over 25,000 views, and the guy in the OP video has had 13,153,700 views. I don't know, you tell me if that was a waste of money and time, or time and money well spent?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That was my thought. Things like rice and meal at a food store are far less expensive and lasting if you happen to be in that type of position.
roger1440
I do stuff
More than likely the first video is a fake. If the homeless can get more money begging for money for drugs rather than begging for money for food then it is likely they would be begging for money for drugs. I have seen for myself the homeless begging for money for food, bus fare and coffee, then use the money to purchase alcohol. It seems foolish to beg for food when they can get more money for alcohol. Don’t miss understand me. I’m not saying all the homeless use the money for alcohol.
roger1440
I do stuff
I can't comment on the content of the video. I don't understand what is going on. What I do know is that the video uses at least four cameras. One is on the ceiling.
So you believe the woman who was homeless with the dog who gave him her money beginning at 2:18 in the video was a plant, a fake, an actress, a fraud? This whole thing was completely made up? Why such cynicism?
Some might. The homeless have a variety of signs they use, and none of them actually tell the real story. They just use whatever works. They're not going to tell you their actual story as it's not really anyone else's business about their private lives. Begging like this is actually their jobs. They show up with a sign to advertise themselves and elicit responses for hours each day. It's actually work for them that they can do, and there are often community rules of who can work which corners and when. It's actually a job to them.
I would think that to hold a sign up that says I need booze, doesn't seem like a good idea to most people to help their cause. It's kind of counter-intuitive, and they don't want to risk that over the sympathy card. The reason that guy got the responses he did is probably because people cynical of the homeless appreciated the "humor" of the sign, the novelty of it, and congratulated him on it.
Think of this in terms of advertising gimmicks. Most don't want to take the "risky" approach and get nothing out of it!That may be the case that they do, but it's not your place or mine to tell them how to spend the money they earned by spending the day holding out a sign. It's their lives. Again, probably none of the signs you see tell the real story. That's their business, not mine. Do you think people who apply for welfare should be told what they can and cannot spend their money on because it came from a social program? Where does that little line stop? Would you want to take away them whatever little freedoms they may want to enjoy because they can because it comes from social programs? Who makes these calls and should they? Is that moral to you?
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Haven't read every post in the thread, but am unsure what is shocking. My guess is that very few (only one) gave for 2nd reason while a few (6 or so) gave for the first cause.
But the one that gave under the second scenario, and how they gave struck me as more meaningful than any of the ones that gave under first scenario.
The first scenario is essentially asking for donations for say $5 to $20 to get them where they need to be that day.
The second scenario is hard to understand what say $5 to $20 would do for that person. Food for sure, but would still seem like 'not enough.'
I'm thinking if it were online 'go fund me' type of social experiment, it wouldn't appear like this. Under that research scenario, I see online donations being around 100 to 1 favoring the second cause.
roger1440
I do stuff
In the video the man emphasizes the price of the food. The food isn’t just expensive or very expensive. It is “very, very expensive”. He actually gives a price, “$200”. By over emphasizing the price of the food he wants to make it very clear he is spending a very, very large amount of money on this homeless person. He wants to make it known to his viewers the amount of money he is spending on a guy he doesn’t even know. Buying a meal for a homeless man wasn’t sufficient. It had to be an expensive meal. In reality he didn’t spend a lot of money at an expensive restaurant.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Speak for yourself. Many people look at family as the measurement of success (even in some fields of science this is the goal, such as with those who "updated" Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs), some use achieving dreams and goals as the measurement, and some look at it as what has someone contributed to their community.
I doubt that. Not only is there no such thing as "self-made," many, many, many wealthy people began wealthy and inherited wealth.
That seems pretty expensive to me.