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Is It Wrong Not Tell People You're Sent From Heaven?

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Within the fulfillment of prophecy, someone is sent before the Tribulation....

Revelation and the Gospels, says the son of man comes secretly before the day....

So since the son of man could clearly warn people the day is impending, is it wrong of him to come secretly?

Do you think if the son of man was revealed, anyone would pay attention, if the whole world has already been deceived?

Who would you try with, not all Muslims read the Bible, not all Christians read the Tanakh, and not all Jews read the Gospels???

If everything that could be said on salvation, was already stated, and those who follow it are already selected, would you tell all the rest, they've not got long to change?

Is it wrong of the son of man to come along, and simply say 'I told you so'?

If someone could prove they were sent to fulfill Messianic prophecy, would you follow them or think they're the anti-Christ, especially if they teach different to your current logic?

What things would you need to believe someone was sent?

Plus any other good questions on this topic......? :innocent:
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Sent from Heaven means spirit. I think we are all human. And machines.
If anyone claimed it I would roll my eyes.

I would listen. I listen to everyone.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Within the fulfillment of prophecy, someone is sent before the Tribulation....

Revelation and the Gospels, says the son of man comes secretly before the day....
I think I do not agree with this.

So since the son of man could clearly warn people the day is impending, is it wrong of him to come secretly?
Yes, it would be wrong and I know that is not what happens.

Do you think if the son of man was revealed, anyone would pay attention, if the whole world has already been deceived?
I think the son of man was revealed. Not many people do not know about it. I think many people pay attention to him. Have you ever heard of The Bible?

Who would you try with, not all Muslims read the Bible, not all Christians read the Tanakh, and not all Jews read the Gospels???
Try what? Who would I try to convince Jesus came?

If everything that could be said on salvation, was already stated, and those who follow it are already selected, would you tell all the rest, they've not got long to change?
You mean like the Jehovah's Witnesses do it? No. I don't believe that.

Is it wrong of the son of man to come along, and simply say 'I told you so'?
I am sure he is older than fifth grade. Don't you?

If someone could prove they were sent to fulfill Messianic prophecy, would you follow them or think they're the anti-Christ, especially if they teach different to your current logic?
I am sure there is no THE anti-Christ (there are many, not just one big boogyman). Follow where? Like out-of-space? No, I wouldn't. They? Logic? You are making me laugh!

What things would you need to believe someone was sent?
Good question! Anyone sent must be for love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness and self-control. So far, the only one I know who is for all that is GOD.

Plus any other good questions on this topic......? :innocent:
Is it supposed to be funny?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Revelation and the Gospels, says the son of man comes secretly before the day....
Please post why you think so.

I see nowhere in the scriptures that Jesus returns to the World.
Every eye will see him just means everyone who is able will know that Jesus Christ was born, lived and died imo. Who knows nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't actually listen to everyone. I think that is not possible. When I hear, I listen and when I read, I pay attention.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If everything that could be said on salvation, was already stated, and those who follow it are already selected, would you tell all the rest, they've not got long to change?
I have been saying that everything hasn't been said on salvation. I think the people of Earth haven't even got started yet. I am certain words have power. I think it can even be tested scientifically.*
Right words are for going in the right direction and wrong words get people lost.
I think it is the truth that all the rest do not have much time to get them right.

*How? Easy peasy. Just hide something from someone, make them go look for it, not saying anything. (they can know what they are looking for). See how long it takes to find it.

Now let them say out loud what they are looking for. Now how long does it take?

Do it over and over again and I think you will find that by saying it you will find it.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I am an atheist, so God, Prophets or revelation for me. I will term it deceit or the person's hallucination. Claiming something under hallucination is not a crime, but deceiving people when one is in full control of his mental abilities for any reason is punishable in Indian Penal Code under section 420.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Revelation and the Gospels, says the son of man comes secretly before the day....
Riding out of the sky on a white horse after a lot of special effects checklists are crossed off is "secret"?

Do you think if the son of man was revealed, anyone would pay attention, if the whole world has already been deceived?
I think it's better just to do the job. Spending too much time on "OMG HERE I AM" statements detracts from the POINT of coming in the first place.

Who would you try with, not all Muslims read the Bible, not all Christians read the Tanakh, and not all Jews read the Gospels???
Pick something less obvious ... for the lolz. :) Find some obscure thing you can only find if you enter a certain cave on a Tuesday morning every solstice or something, LOL.

If everything that could be said on salvation, was already stated, and those who follow it are already selected, would you tell all the rest, they've not got long to change?
What's the point in instilling false hope for those apparently you feel are already condemned? Isn't that just a waste of everyone's time?

Is it wrong of the son of man to come along, and simply say 'I told you so'?
Talk is cheap. Maybe God wouldn't have to send someone every few minutes if He sent someone actually interested in doing the job instead of just talking about it?

If someone could prove they were sent to fulfill Messianic prophecy, would you follow them or think they're the anti-Christ, especially if they teach different to your current logic?
A messiah is only a "chosen one" of sorts. You were chosen to do your thing. I was chosen to do my thing. Random people we will never meet have been chosen to do their thing. Every living being can be a messiah (of sorts).

What things would you need to believe someone was sent?
The product matches the brochure.

I am sure he is older than fifth grade. Don't you?
roflmao

but deceiving people when one is in full control of his mental abilities for any reason is punishable in Indian Penal Code under section 420.
Your poor lawyers must be so busy. We practically reward such stuff here in the US. :)
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
I wouldn't call it wrong as much as I would call it social suicide.
How many people on this site alone have you seen claiming to be "sent" from some higher plane?

What things would you need to believe someone was sent?

It would be very difficult for them to convince me, I would have to see this "heaven" with my own eyes.
Not that I'm special, just that I think they aren't either.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
If someone could prove they were sent to fulfill Messianic prophecy, would you follow them or think they're the anti-Christ, especially if they teach different to your current logic?

Diffcult to say, since I would have probably changed my sit on the bus after the first mention of Messianic stuff.

Ciao

- viole
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Within the fulfillment of prophecy, someone is sent before the Tribulation....

Revelation and the Gospels, says the son of man comes secretly before the day....

So since the son of man could clearly warn people the day is impending, is it wrong of him to come secretly?

Once all the prophecies come to fruition, the identity of the messiah will be known to all. It will be impossible to keep it secret.
 

ScottySatan

Well-Known Member
It is. I don't tell anybody that and get a wicked little satisfaction knowing that the ******** will never know.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Within the fulfillment of prophecy, someone is sent before the Tribulation....

Revelation and the Gospels, says the son of man comes secretly before the day....

So since the son of man could clearly warn people the day is impending, is it wrong of him to come secretly?

Do you think if the son of man was revealed, anyone would pay attention, if the whole world has already been deceived?

Who would you try with, not all Muslims read the Bible, not all Christians read the Tanakh, and not all Jews read the Gospels???

If everything that could be said on salvation, was already stated, and those who follow it are already selected, would you tell all the rest, they've not got long to change?

Is it wrong of the son of man to come along, and simply say 'I told you so'?

If someone could prove they were sent to fulfill Messianic prophecy, would you follow them or think they're the anti-Christ, especially if they teach different to your current logic?

What things would you need to believe someone was sent?

Plus any other good questions on this topic......? :innocent:
Christian bible explains that the prophesy I think you're talking about, the one where Elijah comes back, is actually fulfilled by John the Baptist. And Jesus was here at the same time, so we had two people saying he was from heaven. Jesus clued us in that he was from heaven and gave us warning to repent and be baptized. I would say we've been warned.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I think I do not agree with this.
"secret"?
Matthew 24:44 Therefore also be ready, for in an hour that you don’t expect, the Son of Man will come.

Revelation 16:15 “Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.”

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you.
i would talk about it with a psychiatrist!!
That would be a mad thing to do; talking about someone who has always believed it since birth, with numerous details of spiritual understanding....a psychiatrist couldn't even comprehend that existing at that age. ;)
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.”
Thought the thief was the bad guy. Jesus keeps mixing his metaphors. Is he inviting us to a wedding feast or is he intending to rip us off?
 
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