Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[slave2six]

I am not familiar with the verse that says slavery is okie dokie.

Are you familiar with any that say that slavery is immoral?

Read Leviticus (if you dare - talk about sleepy time!) Then read Ephesians, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." TImothy adds, "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered." Then there's Titus, "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them..." Or Peter, if you prefer, "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

And Collosians says, "Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

Seems to me that if original Christians thought slavery to be immoral then someone would have mentioned it right about then.

Therefore, since slavery is not immoral in the eyes of Christ then I don't see why Christians today would object to it. And yet, they do. How is that possible?

Is it that societal morals have evolved and that since we as a society think that slavery is immoral then Christians are just tagging along? Why then are they not tagging along on this idea that homosexuality is not immoral then?

It all seems quite irrational to me, on the part of Christians that is.

 

[strange]

OK...
Lying is a sin, and homosexuality is a sin. Got it.

If a gay man wanted to "repent" his homosexual sins to get accepted into a Christian church wouldn't that gay man then be lying to himself by not being true to himself?

In short, are you saying that this hypothetical gay man is a permanent sinner in God's eyes?

I'm Christian and I don't see homosexuality as a sin. Who's right?

 

[strange]

With all do respect, I never had any intention of judging anyone here. It is not my place to judge others. I am simply debating my viewpoint on the issue. Since when has that ever been considered as judging others. I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like I believe stealing or telling a lie is a sin. I am not a homosexual but I have done my fair share of stealing and lying therefore I am a sinner and I am no better off in God's eyes than any homosexual out there or any other human being on earth for that matter.

How is homosexuality a sin. Does it fit the description of what is immoral? Or does it fit the catalogue of vices? I don't see it being sinful. Polygamy was acceptable in the OT. There were no marriage laws established in Genesis or Mosaic Law. Nothing either in the NT. All references to marriage has to do with ceremonies and symbolism. It is even better if you don't get married. More godly like if not married. Homosexuality was never used in the Bible until 1943 or 46. And any reference that has been used seems to be a fabrication or poor interpretation.

 

[strange]

It never says you must get married in the bible either. Paul the apostle said he would rather no one get married and stay celibate like him so that one may focus on the Lord more. Paul also realized that this is very hard for most people to do.
However, with that being said I do very strongly believe that when two people decide to get married the bible is very clear that this union is to be between a man and a woman.

You need to show me that the Bible is clear on marriage, being between a man and a woman.

 

[Zebulun]

Are you familiar with any that say that slavery is immoral?

Read Leviticus (if you dare - talk about sleepy time!) Then read Ephesians, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." TImothy adds, "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered." Then there's Titus, "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them..." Or Peter, if you prefer, "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

And Collosians says, "Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

Seems to me that if original Christians thought slavery to be immoral then someone would have mentioned it right about then.

Therefore, since slavery is not immoral in the eyes of Christ then I don't see why Christians today would object to it. And yet, they do. How is that possible?

Is it that societal morals have evolved and that since we as a society think that slavery is immoral then Christians are just tagging along? Why then are they not tagging along on this idea that homosexuality is not immoral then?

It all seems quite irrational to me, on the part of Christians that is.

None of your quotes defend your reasoning. In all of them, God, Paul or whoever is speaking is talking directly to the presumably christian slave. They are not covering the subject of slavery but more so the subject of obedience. What is Paul suppose to say to slaves "kill your master in the night so that you may be free" heck no that is not how God would have it, rather he would have people act in accordance with Jesus Christ his son, loving one another and showing kindness and obedience to their masters and letting God deal with slavery in his own benign way.

 

[Zebulun]

I'm Christian and I don't see homosexuality as a sin. Who's right?

Millions of people in America call themselves Christians but that does not mean they are believers in Christ Jesus and live out there lives daily in accordance to that belief.

And for everyone who wants to know where in the bible it says homosexuality is wrong...

Leviticus 18:22- "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman."-God

 

[Green Gaia]

Millions of people in America call themselves Christians but that does not mean they are believers in Christ Jesus and live out there lives daily in accordance to that belief.

Ok... what did Christ Jesus say about homosexuality?

 

[slave2six]

None of your quotes defend your reasoning. In all of them, God, Paul or whoever is speaking is talking directly to the presumably christian slave.

And to Christian Masters.

You're not being entirely honest here. The Apostles, especially Paul, had no problem calling a spade a spade. They called out all manner of people for immoral behavior and if the book of Acts is to be believed Peter even presided over two deaths because two people lied about their finances. The absence of any moral outrage over the issue of slavery speaks volumes.

 

[Green Gaia]

Leviticus 18:22- "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman."-God

Ok, I won't. I prefer women anyway.

 

[Zebulun]

Ok... what did Christ Jesus say about homosexuality?

Well I believe that God and Jesus are one in the same so yes please read my last post.

 

[Storm]

Well I believe that God and Jesus are one in the same so yes please read my last post.

And Paul? And whomever wrote Leviticus? Because, you know, God didn't write the Bible. Men did. There's not a single book so much as attributed to Christ.

 

[Zebulun]

And to Christian Masters.

You're not being entirely honest here. The Apostles, especially Paul, had no problem calling a spade a spade. They called out all manner of people for immoral behavior and if the book of Acts is to be believed Peter even presided over two deaths because two people lied about their finances. The absence of any moral outrage over the issue of slavery speaks volumes.

What makes slavery wrong? I would say it is how people tend to de-humanize slaves. I think Paul speaks out against not treating others as you would want to be treated.

 

[Green Gaia]

Well I believe that God and Jesus are one in the same so yes please read my last post.

Well, I don't believe that, so please show me where Jesus specifically condemned homosexuality.

 

[Zebulun]

And Paul? And whomever wrote Leviticus? Because, you know, God didn't write the Bible. Men did. There's not a single book so much as attributed to Christ.

Men lead by the spirit to write God's word. God is all powerful, I don't think it would be much of a feat to have a few men write what he wants them to write.

The beautiful thing about the bible is that it was written over a couple thousand years by many different authors and yet the exact same theme of God's love flows beautifully throughout the whole book.

 

[Storm]

That's idolatry.

 

[Green Gaia]

Men lead by the spirit to write God's word. God is all powerful, I don't think it would be much of a feat to have a few men write what he wants them to write.

The beautiful thing about the bible is that it was written over a couple thousand years by many different authors and yet the exact same theme of God's love flows beautifully throughout the whole book.

Proof?

 

[Zebulun]

Well, I don't believe that, so please show me where Jesus specifically condemned homosexuality.

Well then if you believe the books of the new testament to be the teachings of Christ then the first chapter of Romans makes it clear that homosexuality is still detestable to God: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27). Notice that these verses equate homosexuality with "shameful lusts", "unnatural [relations]", "indecent acts", and "perversion".

 

[JMorris]

Men lead by the spirit to write God's word. God is all powerful, I don't think it would be much of a feat to have a few men write what he wants them to write.

The beautiful thing about the bible is that it was written over a couple thousand years by many different authors and yet the exact same theme of God's love flows beautifully throughout the whole book.

lol, hilarious:clap

 

[Storm]

Well then if you believe the books of the new testament to be the teachings of Christ then the first chapter of Romans makes it clear that homosexuality is still detestable to God: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27). Notice that these verses equate homosexuality with "shameful lusts", "unnatural [relations]", "indecent acts", and "perversion".

Paul =/= Christ.

 

[Green Gaia]

Well then if you believe the books of the new testament to be the teachings of Christ then the first chapter of Romans makes it clear that homosexuality is still detestable to God: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27). Notice that these verses equate homosexuality with "shameful lusts", "unnatural [relations]", "indecent acts", and "perversion".

Did Jesus write Romans?