Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[Sunstone]

And brainwashed.

That doesn't bode well for her ever learning much about adult love -- even after she grows up.

 

[averageJOE]

One can't know what's best for another person when his own interetsts are in the way.

And I believe that one needs to know what his or hers best interests are FIRST before knowing what is best for others. (read my sig)

 

[Storm]

Love seeks what is best for another person apart from oneself. Love is therefore selfless. A homosexual seeks someone who satisfies his own lust. That is not love, it's pure lust. One can't know what's best for another person when his own interetsts are in the way.

On what authority do you make this claim?

 

[Autodidact]

It occurred to me that here may be a connection between Carico's not knowing love in her own life, and her extreme, unloving religious views.

Another thought that popped into my head. My lovely partner, V. was heterosexual before becoming involved with me 5 years ago. Not long after we became involved, she remarked to me, "I've never felt so loved or appreciated." Of course, I doubt that Carico would let reality impinge on her views.

 

[Green Gaia]

Of course, I doubt that Carico would let reality impinge on her views.

I find that trait common amongst homophobes.

 

[Sunstone]

It occurred to me that here may be a connection between Carico's not knowing love in her own life, and her extreme, unloving religious views.

Probably. I would rank that as very likely. But don't discount the possibility she is very young or very inexperienced too. It might be a long shot, but my hunch is she's never been in genuine love. Otherwise, she would know more about love.

Another thought that popped into my head. My lovely partner, V. was heterosexual before becoming involved with me 5 years ago. Not long after we became involved, she remarked to me, "I've never felt so loved or appreciated."

That's beautiful. That's pretty much what it's all about, right?

 

[Storm]

I suspect Mr Spinkles' explanation of the homophobic mindset applies.

 

[Green Gaia]

I suspect Mr Spinkles' explanation of the homophobic mindset applies.

Certainly. So it must be our jobs to enlighten this poor, misguided soul.

 

[Autodidact]

It is if we want to act out of compassion.

 

[Fatihah]

I think it is wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin. I think it supports and contributes to prejudice against and ignorance of homosexuality. I think spreading the idea, that homosexuality is a sin, is harmful to many, especially gay youths (who are not worldly enough to see past the nonsense).

I want to know what other think about this.

Now, to be clear, I am not questioning the right to spread this nonsense. I understand freedom of expression and its importance. But just because something is lawful that does not mean it is right.

Response: Carico took the words out of my mouth. Homosexuality is a sin because it is stricly based on lust, which is a sin. Some people confuse lust with love and don't know the difference. It's o.k. to love the same sex but sex between the same sex is stricly lust and has nothing to do with love. Lust is a form of using a person because you are not in complete sacrifice to a person's needs. Your primary reason for showing affection is to receive affection. To do for someone because you want something in return is using the person. It's one thing to use a person for small things (which is wrong) but to use a person emotionally, in the most intimate way, is even worse. That is what lust is and that is what homosexuality is, which is why it is a sin. It's not even naturally possible for two people of the same sex to love each other sexually.

I have more to say on the issue but it's usually better adressed once a person starts asking me questions. That way, I can be more precise in my reasoning. And like always, once that happens, this thread will flood with responses.

 

[Autodidact]

There's the statement, where's the proof?

 

[Green Gaia]

Homosexuality is a sin because it is stricly based on lust, which is a sin.

Then heterosexuality is a sin, since it is based on lust as well. Just ask any co-ed on spring break.

 

[3.14]

thats not a base thats just a realy realy nice sideeffect

 

[Fatihah]

Then heterosexuality is a sin, since it is based on lust as well. Just ask anyone co-ed on spring break.

Response: True. Those relations are based on lust, which is a sin.

 

[Storm]

Response: Carico took the words out of my mouth. Homosexuality is a sin because it is stricly based on lust, which is a sin. Some people confuse lust with love and don't know the difference. It's o.k. to love the same sex but sex between the same sex is stricly lust and has nothing to do with love. Lust is a form of using a person because you are not in complete sacrifice to a person's needs. Your primary reason for showing affection is to receive affection. To do for someone because you want something in return is using the person. It's one thing to use a person for small things (which is wrong) but to use a person emotionally, in the most intimate way, is even worse. That is what lust is and that is what homosexuality is, which is why it is a sin. It's not even naturally possible for two people of the same sex to love each other sexually.

Except none of that is inherent to being a sexual minority, nor is heterosexuality exempt.

 

[Green Gaia]

Response: True. Those relations are based on lust, which is a sin.

So by that logic, since my relationship is based on love, it is not a sin, correct?

 

[Autodidact]

Fatihah is confusing homosexuality with lust. That doesn't surprise me, as I have learned from another thread that Fatihah has trouble distinguishing between concepts. For example, he equates evolution with atheism.

Fatihah, what does the noble Qu'ran say about lesbianism?

 

[Fatihah]

So by that logic, since my relationship is based on love, it is not a sin, correct?

Response: It's a sin if you are a homosexual and you are having sex. Sex between two people of the same sex is lust. Surely, two people of the same sex can love each other. I love my father and brothers dearly. However, sex between two people of the same gender is an act of lust, not love.

 

[Storm]

Response: It's a sin if you are a homosexual and you are having sex. Sex between two people of the same sex is lust. Surely, two people of the same sex can love each other. I love my father and brothers dearly. However, sex between two people of the same gender is an act of lust, not love.

Simply untrue, and I notice you offer nothing in support. Could that possibly be because there IS no support? Ya think?

Bigoted assumptions =/= logical argument.

 

[Green Gaia]

Sex between two people of the same sex is lust.

No, I assure you it's love. Don't tell me what I feel.