NathanShepard8888
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There are 68 scriptures that say Jesus is the Son of God. When he saysbI am one with God the word one means unity of purpose.
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Is Jesus Christ God?
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
So, a demigod?
/Do you worship the demigod
/is this demigod lesser than the other god
in your beliefs
just a couple questions
/Do you worship the demigod
/is this demigod lesser than the other god
in your beliefs
just a couple questions
NathanShepard8888
Member
John 14:68 The Father is greater than I.
I Corinthians 11:3 The head OT Christ is God.
I Corinthians 15:27 The Son himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him.
I Corinthians 11:3 The head OT Christ is God.
I Corinthians 15:27 The Son himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Let's review this one more time. There is a family named "Jones". In this family are a father named Sam and a son named Joe. Sam and Joe a two separate "persons" but both are "Jones." There is another family named "God." In this family are a father and a son. The father and son are two separate "persons" but both are "God". This should be so easy for people to see but Satan has clouded so many minds that they ignore this simple idea. The father and son are two different "beings" but both together make up God just like Sam and Joe are two different beings that make up "Jones." Most people think of the Father as God but he is only one part of God. There is still only one God just like there is one Jones family.
McBell
Unbound
Yeppers.
Clear as tar
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
actually it is quite clear to those who can open their eyes and look without all the confusion spread by the churches.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
But there is no reason to separate the nature of G-d. More than once you have allusion to the fact that Jesu is one with the father, etc. It's just how literally one takes their Scripture.
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The reality is that if one follows Xian belief, they believe that Jesus is G-d. Unless they revise their texts, use a blackout marker on their bibles, etc. There is no way around it. If one doesn't like the theology, then it isn't the religion for them, imo. There have been numerous 'efforts', to try ro change the fact that Jesus is considered G-d in Xian belief, but they ultimately lead to nowhere. They lead to a hodge-podge theology that doesn't make sense.
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lostwanderingsoul
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does mono-syncretism even believe in God?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Good analogy. It is clouded because in the Jone's case, the father and the son share names and maybe purpose but their friends know who is the father and who is the son. It isnt umbiguous. They are botb humans but they are not each other.
In "trinitarian view" there is no seperation between persons. God is not a "last name" but a trait that both the father and son share. Unfortunately, because they "share" the same traits christians interpret that to mean they are one and the same. They are not.
Instead, just like the Jones, they share the same traits and purpose but one is Spirit and the other human. What I do t understand is why cant Jesus be a perfect human? If God can do anything, why deny God the power to make Jesus perfect and acknowledge Christ's devotion to His Father as Christians should do the same. Christ isnt the Father.
Satan has nothing to do with it. If I put Satan in this, heaven forbid, it would be trinitarians who would have clouded thoughts. Every abrahamic faith knows God is not a human and cannot be separated as such. Trinitarians are the only ones out of all that holds that idea. The scriptures are not umbiguous in saying Christ is not God. Its plain as day.
Maybe trinitarians find it hard to imagine a perfect human die for them? Why question their God and turn scripture because Christ speaks for His Father?
Anyway, recycled debate. One day I will understand the other side.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Bible calls Jesus a servant of God.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yes, why?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I am not a member or adherent of many religions, does this mean that I try to configure their texts, hance belief, to fit my personal preference? If one studies this issue at all, one realizes that Xian belief has a Godhead that is one deity. It's part of the theology because it's a monotheistic religion. having two or more deity or worship forms is a no go. Xianity does not ''work'' without it's monotheistic position, and the trinity doctrine explains the position to an extent, albeit sometimes in a confusing manner, as Trinitarians themselves may have their opinion, or the church definition/s/ may be complicated. The people who formulated the trinity doctrine knew that they were describing one deity, with more than one form. That's all there is to it. When the theology get's goofed into something else, well meaning or not, it becomes a type of polytheism, and doesn't match the Scripture. That is why people have been revising the texts in whatever manner they can for a long time now. It's a personal belief thing, not a religious adherence or textual actuality issue. Either way, i'm out of the debate.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Doesn't affect me; however, both sides to the argument should be presented.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Buddhism is not in the Bible so are they making it up?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Well, I'm an atheist, so I doubt we have much else in common concerning beliefs, but on this one point I say good for you!!!!!!!!!
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
"It doesn'y say Jesus is God in the Bible." Back to the family idea. Sam Jones and Joe Jones are father and son. Therefore both are Jones. If I say Joe is the son of Sam Jones, then you know Joe is a Jones even if I do not say Joe is a Jones. If Jesus is the son of the father God then Jesus is God even if I do not say it. Everyone who is the son of Mr Jones is a Jones. Everyone who is the son of God is God.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I'm not entirely sure how you're arguing against something that you don't understand.
It seems you are having fun, and that is fine. But I don't think everyone is going to believe that "God" is a last name like "Jones" is. Some people might think this is a good analogy. But others are likely to think that this analogy is just complete garbage.