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Is Jesus Christ God?

Norman

Norman

Defender of Truth
NathanShepard8888 said:
There are 68 scriptures that say Jesus is the Son of God. When he saysbI am one with God the word one means unity of purpose.
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Norman: Hi NathanShepard888, I agree with you 100%, good post. This needs to be discussed more often. I have son and his name is Nathaniel, in the Hebrew it means from God, gift from God. I don't know it Nathan is your real name? If it is, I just wanted to share that with you.
 
Norman

Norman

Defender of Truth
Lyndon said:
The Trinity concept is not in the Bible, Jesus is God is not in the Bible, who cares what Christians believe if its not in the Bible, they're probably making it up.
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Norman: Hi Lyndon, what is Theism+Jesus(pbuh) Tao+influenced by Buddhism? Please explain.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
fantome profane said:
It seems you are having fun, and that is fine. But I don't think everyone is going to believe that "God" is a last name like "Jones" is. Some people might think this is a good analogy. But others are likely to think that this analogy is just complete garbage.
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yep.....It's just a job description
 
NathanShepard8888

NathanShepard8888

Member
lostwanderingsoul said:
Let's review this one more time. There is a family named "Jones". In this family are a father named Sam and a son named Joe. Sam and Joe a two separate "persons" but both are "Jones." There is another family named "God." In this family are a father and a son. The father and son are two separate "persons" but both are "God". This should be so easy for people to see but Satan has clouded so many minds that they ignore this simple idea. The father and son are two different "beings" but both together make up God just like Sam and Joe are two different beings that make up "Jones." Most people think of the Father as God but he is only one part of God. There is still only one God just like there is one Jones family.
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There is only One being who is named the Most High, not Most Highs.
 
Norman

Norman

Defender of Truth
q konn said:
I'm not entirely sure how you're arguing against something that you don't understand.
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[QUOTE]Norman: Hi q konn, I hope you don't mind me butting in here? I think Carlita is just being honest and trying to understand the OP, and she said "that one day she might find out on the other side." (paraphrasing.)[/QUOTE]
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
q konn said:
I am not a member or adherent of many religions, does this mean that I try to configure their texts, hance belief, to fit my personal preference? If one studies this issue at all, one realizes that Xian belief has a Godhead that is one deity. It's part of the theology because it's a monotheistic religion. having two or more deity or worship forms is a no go. Xianity does not ''work'' without it's monotheistic position, and the trinity doctrine explains the position to an extent, albeit sometimes in a confusing manner, as Trinitarians themselves may have their opinion, or the church definition/s/ may be complicated. The people who formulated the trinity doctrine knew that they were describing one deity, with more than one form. That's all there is to it. When the theology get's goofed into something else, well meaning or not, it becomes a type of polytheism, and doesn't match the Scripture. That is why people have been revising the texts in whatever manner they can for a long time now. It's a personal belief thing, not a religious adherence or textual actuality issue. Either way, i'm out of the debate.
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Eh. Having Jesus being perfect doesnt make him a second God. So, its still monotheism. I just think some christians find it hard to associate with a human.

Thats my take.

Nam.:leafwind:
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Carlita said:
Eh. Having Jesus being perfect doesnt make him a second God. So, its still monotheism. I just think some christians find it hard to associate with a human.

Thats my take.

Nam.:leafwind:
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Jesus, the person you read about in the Bible, is not an average human. That is your... dunno, interpretation or rather re-interpretation of the text. Ie, you are essentially calling it fiction. What I am questioning is why, if people do not interpret the Bible from the theistic standpoint, are they creating fictional stories about the deities in other peoples religion.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
q konn said:
Jesus, the person you read about in the Bible, is not an average human. That is your... dunno, interpretation or rather re-interpretation of the text. Ie, you are essentially calling it fiction. What I am questioning is why, if people do not interpret the Bible from the theistic standpoint, are they creating fictional stories about the deities in other peoples religion.
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Aren't all stories about deities fictional? Who gets to say what the correct interpretation is???
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
1.'I do not believe the Bible, theistically, etc.
2. Jesus was a average human etc etc etc.

these are two completely different ways of presenting ones argument.
one way is merely disbelief, ie, Krishna isn'r real, etc. the other is rather, Krishna was a naan vendor,
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
q konn said:
I'm not entirely sure how you're arguing against something that you don't understand.
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I agree with the JW position and understand it fully to know what I studied from the trinitarian view is off (in my opinion) and therefore, I cant understand it. I know "why" trinitarians believe what they do. I just dont see how its possible given it doesnt line with scripture. We can want Jesus to be God but that doesnt make Him God. He's God's Son. They both have the same last name but different first name sense they are two seperate people under "one household." It seems common sense that to say Jesus is God is a total insult to God and Christ.

Not a christian denominations believe Jesus is God, so we cant use "its a christian belief" its just a well accepted belief that I see no scriptural backing to.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Carlita said:
I agree with the JW position and understand it fully to know what I studied from the trinitarian view is off (in my opinion) and therefore, I cant understand it. I know "why" trinitarians believe what they do. I just dont see how its possible given it doesnt line with scripture. We can want Jesus to be God but that doesnt make Him God. He's God's Son. They both have the same last name but different first name sense they are two seperate people under "one household." It seems common sense that to say Jesus is God is a total insult to God and Christ.

Not a christian denominations believe Jesus is God, so we cant use "its a christian belief" its just a well accepted belief that I see no scriptural backing to.
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Then you encounter other issues. The theology is monotheistic by rule, as in Judaism. This is one of the reasons why you can rule out certain scenarios. Now, consider that you are correct,/ ie Jesus isn't G-d/; by Scripture then, Jesus is a different Deity. Anything besides that or what I have presented, is non-Scriptural, and really just creating a new religion. One could hold your position if you scrap much of the Bible.
 
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