dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Are Jews required to love Moses? Are you sure? That sounds like a new / added law.
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Is Jesus Christ the True God?
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Pleased to meet you too
A valiant and noble effort. Best wishes to you,
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I just pray straight to God. No middleman.
muhammad_isa
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To Orthodox Jews, Moses is called Moshe Rabbenu, 'Eved HaShem, Avi haNeviim zya"a: "Our Leader Moshe, Servant of God, Father of all the Prophets (may his merit shield us, amen)"
Moses - Wikipedia
I realise that Jews do not worship Moses, and consider him to be a human being.
Muslims similarly do not worship Muhammad .. but he is revered nevertheless.
No matter how hard you try you will not turn what is the 'great prayer' of the Church, the public worship of God, into something that fits into your own personal definition. I think you are confusing worship with praise. Are there hymns of praise, yes. But the worship is to God.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Sorry, but you are barking up the wrong tree. Catholics consider Jesus to be God, and do worship him in prayer and song. We can go through the parts of the mass if you like, and see that there are prayers to Jesus, or you can simply back down. Let's start with "Lord Jesus Christ, only Begotten Son, Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, You take away the sins of the world have mercy on us; You take away the sins of the world, receive our prayer; You are seated at the right hand of the Father: have mercy on us. "
I don't even know why you are making this an issue. It is not an issue to catholics. If you personally think it is wrong to worship Jesus, then maybe you should consider finding a religion other than catholicism.
From a catholic website:
"Catholics absolutely worship Jesus,"
Do Catholics Worship Jesus? - Catholic Truth
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Still, love is not required. Those are titles. And honestly, I only hear him being called Moshe Rabbeinu. The commandment, as you know is to love God. And that's the point.
TiggerII
Active Member
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Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
samtonga43
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Excellent; I do too. Who needs a middleman?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
What is Jesus to you if not your middle man?Excellent; I do too. Who needs a middleman?
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
To me, Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
But your scripture explicitely identifies Jesus as your mediator.
The Eucharistic Prayers make clear that these prayers are offered, not to Christ, but to the Father. It is worship offered to the Father by Christ as it was at the moment of his passion, death and resurrection, but now it is offered through the priest acting in the person of Christ, and it is offered as well by all of the baptized, who are part of Christ's Body, the Church. This is the action of Christ's Body, the Church at Mass.
h) The concluding doxology, by which the glorification of God is expressed and which is affirmed and concluded by the people's acclamation "Amen."
And in each Jesus is not God, but the Son. He is the one mediator between God and man.
The only place in Scripture where Jesus is clearly referred to as God is the prologue of John.
I am stating the teaching of the Church. That's the issue. I have always found it to be quite arrogant to critique another's religious faith on rumor, hearsay, etc. And thats what happens when one is not qualified to recognize what is official and what is not.
Liturgy of the Eucharist | USCCB
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
If you are speaking to Jesus, then you are praying to Jesus, not the father.
Here is another example of Jesus worship:
Holy, holy, holy, Lord God of Hosts, heaven and earth are full of your glory. Hosanna in the highest. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosana in the highest.
Who is the one of whom you say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord." that would be Jesus.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Again, "essence" is the key here.
Again, notice "Begotten Son", "Son of the Father", "You are sitting on the right hand of the Father". Thus, if Jesus would be to be precisely God in the full sense, the above wouldn't make one iota of sense.
Dogknox20
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IndigoChild5559 hello once again...
The "Mass" is one big prayer!
We offer to God the father the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross! Jesus died for all men to destroy death and by rising to restore life!
God lives outside of Space and Time! "Outside of Space" means God is everywhere and it means God can take any form he wants to take!
"Outside of Time" means God is everyplace and it means he is in the past and in the future!
On the Alter the Priest (The hands of God) offers to the Father the sacrifice of Jesus (In the form of Bread) on the cross we offer to God this Perfect gift of love! WE.....
IndigoChild5559 we know beyond all doubt it is an acceptable sacrifice because it is the gift of Perfect love of his only son! Also, we know our Gift is acceptable Thus God gives to us his perfect gift in the form of Bread this perfect gift is "Life eternal"! Jesus is the "True Manna come down from heaven!"
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
The people of Moses lived for forty years eating this manna of God! The People of God today live forever by eating this food from the Tree of Life (True Manna)!
The Prophet in the Old Testament was the Voice of God! (Moses spoke for God!)
The Catholic Bishop is the same today...
Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Dogknox20
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.Pleased to meet you too
A valiant and noble effort. Best wishes to you,
dybmh I hope all is well...
To love God is to keep his commands! Adam the first perfect man with his gift of "Free Will" made a choice to freely disobey God. Clearly Adam did not love God!
Jesus is the second Adam he obeyed God. Jesus freely made a choice to Obey God... Jesus loves God! Of these two perfect men Jesus remained Perfect, Adam by sin brought corruption: sin into God' perfect creation! God does all things perfectly if he did not create Adam perfect God would not be perfect and not be God! IF......
dybmh if God did not create perfectly, he would not himself be perfect and thus not be God!
I do not 'speak' to Jesus. Through silent meditation I 'listen' to him. When praying for guidance prayer is directed to God in the name of Jesus.
This prayer is called the Sanctus because that is its first word in Latin. The first line is the hymn of the seraphim in Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8. The second part is what the crowd cried to Jesus at his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Mt 21:9), which is modeled after Psalm 118:25.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Look the whole doctrine of the Trinity doesn't make senes. But it's what your church teaches.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
If you attend mass and participate, you pray to Jesus. I've quoted two parts of the mass so far that are Jesus. Here is a third: Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. That's three examples. I'm done. You can reply if you want, but I've proven my point and I'm not going to reply further.