Is Jesus God?

[URAVIP2ME]

Gal.3:16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Rom.9:8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Gal.4:26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Jn.3:3. Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”
21Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
Jesus Christ was a child of the Holy Spirit and God while he was living on earth.
Jesus Christ died.
Acts2:32. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Jesus Christ was a child of the Spirit while he lived on the earth. God resurrected him from the Dead and gave him the Promise, which is the Holy Spirit(Lord ) . (2Cor.3:17)
Rev.21:9. And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Jer.3:16. And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Eph.5:31. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Do you believe this?
Peace.

Believe Jesus is: Son, Jesus is the promised 'seed' ( offspring of Abraham ) - Genesis 3:15
I notice at Jeremiah 3:16 you capitalized the title word LORD using all upper-case letters.
Please also notice at Psalms 110:1 (KJV) there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned.
The LORD in all capital letters is where the Tetragrammaton stands ( YHWH ) for God's name.
Whereas, 'Lord ' in some lower-case letters stand for the Lord Jesus.
Thus, Jesus is ' Lord" but Not LORD God. Jesus is always Son - Revelation 3:14 B

 

[james2ko]

Hi James, We believed and follow Christ teachings, and I don’t see any reason why believers could’nt have the truth. If a believer works out his faith in Christ Jesus by doing good works and loving his enemies, this is because of the truth in Christ Jesus

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1. The full "truth" consists of much more than just good works and loving your enemy. Which leads me to my next point..

What do you think are the doctrinal errors? How could you reconcile the truth of Jesus in relation to doctrinal errors that you are mentioning?

2. Can you name the Christian denomination (I'm sure you're aware there are thousands) who has Christ's absolute, doctrinal truth?

When Jesus said that He is the truth, I think that would mean there is absolute truth in Him. When it comes to doctrinal, I don’t see the truth that Jesus uttered could lead to errors.

3. Yes. Christ has the absolute truth in Him. We at this time do not. Paul alludes to this incomplete knowledge of absolute truth (1 Co 13:9-10,12). These passages tell us full understanding (full truth) will only be available when Christ returns and we become like Him (1 Jn 3:2).

Got it. James. Jesus in His preexistence shared the essential attributes of deity. He is God. He is not a created being. He is the second person of the Trinity. It is clear and clarified.

4. It is not clear from the scriptures. But it is clear to you because that is what you've been taught by your teachers. And they, in turn, were taught by theirs and so on. Most Christians generally accept common church beliefs without question, choosing to accept the explanation of passages for a particular doctrine as "truth". They reason, “how could my teachers deceive me?” Often times it's not intentional. We simply fall into a net of complacency and find it easier to simply “go with the flow.”

To illustrate this phenomenon, a third grade teacher asked her class, "Can anyone tell me who discovered America". A brave student raised his hand an answered, "The Indians." Somewhat confused, the teacher sheepishly and uncomfortably told the boy it was not the correct answer. Like the teacher, we follow along as we have been taught, assuming what we believe has always been right. We take certain beliefs for granted, almost never taking time to impartially prove them. Such is the case with the doctrines of an uncreated Christ and the holy spirit being a separate "third" person.

 

[Notaclue]

"URAVIP2ME, post: 4739240, member: 19507"]Believe Jesus is: Son, Jesus is the promised 'seed' ( offspring of Abraham ) - Genesis 3:15
I notice at Jeremiah 3:16 you capitalized the title word LORD using all upper-case letters.
Please also notice at Psalms 110:1 (KJV) there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned.
The LORD in all capital letters is where the Tetragrammaton stands ( YHWH ) for God's name.
Whereas, 'Lord ' in some lower-case letters stand for the Lord Jesus.
Thus, Jesus is ' Lord" but Not LORD God. Jesus is always Son - Revelation 3:14 B

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Jesus is ' Lord" but Not LORD God.


Acts2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord,Sit thou on my right hand,

Yes, my Lord has a God, he calls him FATHER.



Jesus was resurrected and born from the Dead, do you think they are one and the same thing?


Peace.

 

[JehovahIsGodAlmighty]

The answer to this question is sort of Yes but not really. See, the thing is.... Jesus is referred to as "a god" in the bible (John 1:1) but never is Jesus referred to as Almighty God anywhere in the bible- Almighty God/God Almighty (however you want to say it) is One and One alone, and that is none other than Jehovah. (Revelation 15:3)

Nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is Almighty God, nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is equal to God, nowhere in the bible does it say that God is three persons that make up one God. It's also worth mentioning that the word trinity is not even in the bible. Jesus is simply the son of God Almighty (Mark 5:7, Psalms 83:18) Jesus is the 1st thing/creature that was created by Jehovah God (Colossians 1:15)

If any of these scriptures are not right please feel free to correct me, all thoughts and opinions are welcome. I will not talk down on anyone who expresses views/opinions that differ from my own. Let us discuss....

 

[Notaclue]

The answer to this question is sort of Yes but not really. See, the thing is.... Jesus is referred to as "a god" in the bible (John 1:1) but never is Jesus referred to as Almighty God anywhere in the bible- Almighty God/God Almighty (however you want to say it) is One and One alone, and that is none other than Jehovah. (Revelation 15:3)

Nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is Almighty God, nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is equal to God, nowhere in the bible does it say that God is three persons that make up one God. It's also worth mentioning that the word trinity is not even in the bible. Jesus is simply the son of God Almighty (Mark 5:7, Psalms 83:18) Jesus is the 1st thing/creature that was created by Jehovah God (Colossians 1:15)

If any of these scriptures are not right please feel free to correct me, all thoughts and opinions are welcome. I will not talk down on anyone who expresses views/opinions that differ from my own. Let us discuss....

Do you believe that the Spirit of God is God?


Peace.

 

[JehovahIsGodAlmighty]

Do you believe that the Spirit of God is God?


Peace.

I believe that Jehovah is God Almighty because that's what the Bible says. I believe the spirit of God is just that, the spirit of God.

 

[Yoshua]

2. Can you name the Christian denomination (I'm sure you're aware there are thousands) who has Christ's absolute, doctrinal truth?

Hi James,

The Protestant denomination. Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist……… There are also Catholic denomination.

Why? Do you think that Protestant denomination has no doctrinal truth? May I hear from you.

4. It is not clear from the scriptures. But it is clear to you because that is what you've been taught by your teachers. And they, in turn, were taught by theirs and so on. Most Christians generally accept common church beliefs without question, choosing to accept the explanation of passages for a particular doctrine as "truth". They reason, “how could my teachers deceive me?” Often times it's not intentional. We simply fall into a net of complacency and find it easier to simply “go with the flow.”

To illustrate this phenomenon, a third grade teacher asked her class, "Can anyone tell me who discovered America". A brave student raised his hand an answered, "The Indians." Somewhat confused, the teacher sheepishly and uncomfortably told the boy it was not the correct answer. Like the teacher, we follow along as we have been taught, assuming what we believe has always been right. We take certain beliefs for granted, almost never taking time to impartially prove them. Such is the case with the doctrines of an uncreated Christ and the holy spirit being a separate "third" person.

I don’t think a believer in Christ should follow blindly and just follow the flow without studying His word. If you believe what Paul is saying, how would you reconcile it with Eph. 4:11-13?

Eph. 4:11-13
11. And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13. until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fulness of Christ.

I remembered you quoted Daniel B. Wallace before as your reference in our discussion. Could it mean that you disagree the belief of this evangelical professor in theology?

Thanks

 

[Yoshua]

The answer to this question is sort of Yes but not really. See, the thing is.... Jesus is referred to as "a god" in the bible (John 1:1) but never is Jesus referred to as Almighty God anywhere in the bible- Almighty God/God Almighty (however you want to say it) is One and One alone, and that is none other than Jehovah. (Revelation 15:3)

Nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is Almighty God, nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is equal to God, nowhere in the bible does it say that God is three persons that make up one God. It's also worth mentioning that the word trinity is not even in the bible. Jesus is simply the son of God Almighty (Mark 5:7, Psalms 83:18) Jesus is the 1st thing/creature that was created by Jehovah God (Colossians 1:15)

If any of these scriptures are not right please feel free to correct me, all thoughts and opinions are welcome. I will not talk down on anyone who expresses views/opinions that differ from my own. Let us discuss....

Hi Jeh,

This is a long discussion especially the John 1:1. In Greek, the word order is like this:

καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
and God was the Word.

Then the Word was God was the correct one since this is what in Greek has. It is not “and god was the Word.” Lack of definite article is a very weak reason to say that the Word is a god. You may also check it out if He is a god, then how many God you have right now??

Thanks

 

[JehovahIsGodAlmighty]

Hi Jeh,

This is a long discussion especially the John 1:1. In Greek, the word order is like this:

καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
and God was the Word.

Then the Word was God was the correct one since this is what in Greek has. It is not “and god was the Word.” Lack of definite article is a very weak reason to say that the Word is a god. You may also check it out if He is a god, then how many God you have right now??

Thanks

There is literally countless gods out there. Some people choose to worship man made statues as their god, some people worship God's son Jesus as their god, so there's a lot of gods. (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) Remember too, Jesus called others "gods" in John 10:34. Let's also not forget that even Satan is referred to as "the god of this system" in 2 Corinthians 4:4. My point is there's many gods but there is only ONE who alone is God Almighty. The bible tells us that Jehovah alone is God Almighty.

"Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty...." -Revelation 15:3 (See also Revelation 4:11, Psalms 83:18 etc.)

To answer your question though, I have One God and One God only, and that is the one and only Almighty God, Jehovah

 

[Yoshua]

There is literally countless gods out there. Some people choose to worship man made statues as their god, some people worship God's son Jesus as their god, so there's a lot of gods. (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) Remember too, Jesus called others "gods" in John 10:34. Let's also not forget that even Satan is referred to as "the god of this system" in 2 Corinthians 4:4. My point is there's many gods but there is only ONE who alone is God Almighty. The bible tells us that Jehovah alone is God Almighty.

"Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty...." -Revelation 15:3 (See also Revelation 4:11, Psalms 83:18 etc.)

To answer your question though, I have One God and One God only, and that is the one and only Almighty God, Jehovah

Hi Jeh,

καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
and God was the Word.

Yes. I know about the "gods" that you are referring to and familiar with it. But have you consider "and God was the Word" in Greek versus the reason of lack of article to conclude that He is a god for the sake of translating it in English?

I know you believed that there is one God, but based on the belief of JW's, Jesus is a mighty God and the Father is God Almighty. Now, may I ask you how many God therein if you have an Almighty and Mighty god?

Thanks

 

[JehovahIsGodAlmighty]

The way you worded your question is tricky, I'm not sure if this was intentional or not. I'll try to give an satisfying answer though. There is just ONE (1) God that we should worship and that is Jehovah God Almighty. Are there other gods? Absolutely! Now whether you decide to worship them or not is completely up to you but the bible clearly tells us who Almighty God is and that he doesn't share his praise with no one else. In addition to the scriptures I gave you, please read Psalms 100:3 and Isaiah 42:8 when you get a moment. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these

 

[Jabar]

Jesus never claimed divinity, this is a common misconception.

In fact, there is not a single unequovical statement in the complete Bible where Jesus peace be upon him, himself said that ''I am God'' or ''Worship me''.

But he instead said Ahbodullah, worship Allah (God-All-Mighty), the One and Only.

 

[Yoshua]

The way you worded your question is tricky, I'm not sure if this was intentional or not. I'll try to give an satisfying answer though. There is just ONE (1) God that we should worship and that is Jehovah God Almighty. Are there other gods? Absolutely! Now whether you decide to worship them or not is completely up to you but the bible clearly tells us who Almighty God is and that he doesn't share his praise with no one else. In addition to the scriptures I gave you, please read Psalms 100:3 and Isaiah 42:8 when you get a moment. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these

Hi Jeh,

I agree with those verses. My question is not to trick but to look at it logically. May I ask you who is Jesus for you. Is He a mighty god?

Thanks

 

[Jabar]

Hi Jeh,

I agree with those verses. My question is not to trick but to look at it logically. May I ask you who is Jesus for you. Is He a mighty god?

Thanks

Hello, Brother.

May we talk about the crucifixtion of Jesus, or more like crucifiction?
Hehe.

 

[Yoshua]

Hello, Brother.

May we talk about the crucifixtion of Jesus, or more like crucifiction?
Hehe.

Hi Jabar,

Yeah. Sure. Do you have some questions to start with?

Thanks

 

[JehovahIsGodAlmighty]

Hi Jeh,

I agree with those verses. My question is not to trick but to look at it logically. May I ask you who is Jesus for you. Is He a mighty god?

Thanks

of course Jesus is a mighty god because the bible calls him that. This still doesn't mean that we should in any way worship him as some do. Worship only belongs to Jehovah God The Almighty, the ONE that created Jesus! Jesus for me is God's son that was sent to the earth for 3 main reasons: 1 to teach and preach to others about the kingdom of God, 2 to set a perfect example for us to follow and show us how we can remain loyal to Jehovah even when facing pressure from others and 3 to die and pay the ransom for the sins of those who exercise faith in him.

Read Genesis 17:1. Jehovah again is identified as Almighty God
Isaiah 42:8 Jehovah God clearly says he give his praise to no one else. So those that worships Jesus are practicing idolatry by putting another god ahead of God Almighty.

 

[Jabar]

Hi Jabar,

Yeah. Sure. Do you have some questions to start with?

Thanks

Yes.

If Jesus is god, then how did he die on the cross, was he not divine?

 

[james2ko]

Hi James,The Protestant denomination. Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist……… There are also Catholic denomination.

1. That is four Protestant denominations, and the Catholics, who all fall under the Christian religion. I asked for "the" one Christian denomination (singular) who has Christ's absolute and correct truth?

Why? Do you think that Protestant denomination has no doctrinal truth? May I hear from you.

2. You misundertand the question and are missing the point. I initially stated all denominations have some truth but not one denomination has the full truth. I then asked you to name the one denomination that has Christ's absolute truth and you named five of them?? So I ask again, what one denomination has Christ's full, absolute, and exact truth?

I remembered you quoted Daniel B. Wallace before as your reference in our discussion. Could it mean that you disagree the belief of this evangelical professor in theology?

3. Huh??? I actually agree with Daniel Wallace's assessment of Php 2:5-6. Based on your interpretation of these verses, it is you who disagree with his belief.

I don’t think a believer in Christ should follow blindly and just follow the flow without studying His word. If you believe what Paul is saying, how would you reconcile it with Eph. 4:11-13?

Eph. 4:11-14
11. And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13. until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fulness of Christ.
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

4. Notice Paul's statement in bold. Paul uses a preposition (until) in a statement denoting a future point in time. Albert Barnes states: "The meaning is, until we all hold the same truths, and have the same confidence in the Son of God."

With so many sects and denominations holding different beliefs, that is definitely not the case now. When those passages are read in context and without bias, Paul seems to allude to differences in "faith" and "knowledge" of Christ (which you see today) and that a day will come when God's people will no longer be subject to every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men (vs 14), and sets a future time to which the disunity will all end -- "until we all come to the unity of faith and knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ".

The only time I can think of when we will measure up to the stature of the fullness of Christ is when we become like Him at His return (1 Jo 3:2). In other words, Paul is essentially saying evangelists, pastors, teachers will have some truth, but not all will have the same faith and knowledge (beliefs) until Christ's returns. Precisely what we see today!

 

[Muffled]

I believe He emptied (kenoo-G2758-vs 7) Himself of his spirit body "morphe" (G3444-vs 6) and surrendered His power as a God and took on the "schema" (G4976-vs 8) of a human. Schema is broader in scope than "morphe" and includes everything about a human, including our limitations. Indicating to me He gave up all of His rights and powers as a spirit being. It loosely reminds me of the older version of the movie Superman. He had to surrender all of His super powers in order to become a "regular" human.

Had Christ sinned, He would have forfeited His resurrection and would have ceased to exist. Christ put His very existence as a God on the line for an undeserving bunch like us. To me, that makes His incarnation and sacrifice that much more special.

I believe the text does not say that.but this is all it says: Ph.2:7 but emptied himself,

I believe I do not find this in the text at all. In fact Jesus displays the power of God throughout His ministry.

I don't see any evidence of that.

I believe you are in error God can do what He wishes.

Jesus is not a god He is God and could never be anything but God.

I believe however it would not have been consistent with His purpose which was to replicate Himself in believers.

 

[Muffled]

Did God the Father promise God the Son? If so, how can I get this promise, knowing I am not God?


Peace.

I believe God the Father did not promise God the father did. God the Father is the Father of Jesus. God the father is the father of all.

I believe you should remember that you asked. Receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you will be a Son of God also. You will never be God the Son because Jesus is the only one.