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The same reasons that people follow cults. Also, when one takes into account There are numerous sitautions where people who follow people who don't say anything really special. There are also people who follow leaders who make claims about end time events happening that never take place. Many of them have followers who will follow them until the failure of the predictions and beyond.
I grasp what you're saying about this, and you are relying upon one of the common misconceptions about this passage. I admit protestant commentaries, sermons and other places agree with you. I do not think you understand this passage in John 8. Rather than accusing Jews of being Satan or children of Satan, John's whole theme is that the spirit does not need to pass from teacher to student (the theme he sets up in chapters 1-3). He is saying that the time-honored tradition of teaching can kill. This is his argument to invalidate it. John does not call the Pharisees children of Satan. The word he uses is not 'Satan' but 'Devil' and would be better left untranslated as the Koine term. He accuses their tradition of overreach. This is consistent with opinions Jesus puts forward that tradition can kill. I think he views traditional method as suspicious.
Too many examples, such that I am having to pick one or two. You're both impressively studious, and that's great. Yes, I will pick a different example.
I take seriously your position as you have convinced me that you follow the law of Moses as closely as you are able, perhaps perfectly.
We are talking about Jesus and his disciples, not me. They do keep the laws. What they disagree with is the traditional teaching method of teacher to student. They make their offerings, their prayers, their kosher behaviors and all of the laws such as not picking up sticks or lighting fires on the 7th.
By what I have seen, people in cults follow someone who is real and has said something that is special to them. I don't know any cult that is formed by some unknown person around another person who didn't really say anything special.
Jesus said in Matt. 8:22 "leave the dead to bury their own dead". How can that mean anything else than there being some people to do the job? I think that means the burial would be held and there would be no reason to worry about it.
Yes, option 3 is probably correct. However, I am not sure what do you mean with the contradiction, please explain first why do you think there is a contradiction between Luke 9 and Matthew 5?
You are correct, MOST cults follow someone who at one time lived and was claimed to have done things that they more than likely did not do. There are some cults that grow stronger when their leader dies, not fulfilling what they are claiming they would do. There are some cults that reamerge and make claims about their deceased leaders to a new generation of member who were not there to actually see for themselves what did and didn't happen.
Just so everyone is clear, the above is not an idea or concept held by Torah based Jews. I.e. the above comment isn't found among Mizrahi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Yemenite Jews, Hasidic Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Asian Jews, North Africna Jews, or Hereidi Jews.
Yes, there were definately more writings by followers of some of the Christian concepts and numerous variations. None of them are valid for Torah based Jews though. Here are a few examples and dome descriptions I found about them:
Another reason is when the student of a particular charismatic individual thinks their leader is going to do some amazing, and when it doesn't happen some people can't let go - because they invested so much of their life to the movement - they try to create ways to get around the reality. Thus, there are people develop things like, "He told me in secret this would happen." There is also the famouse, "It is written that this would happen" or "this happened to fulfill the prophecy of......" Then there is also, "He will return and do that stuff later.....possibly next year." Near year comes and the, "No, he meant in a few years....." Then a few years pass it becomes, "It will happen sometime in the near, or distant, future. Just stay faithful....he will come back in this generation, or a later one."
I would even say that if the guy was telling Jesus he would follow him after burying his father then it would seem as if there was no one else to bury his father, including the dead. I would also say that if this story really did happen it was better that the young man went back home, buried his father, and continued with his family needs. For all we know two generations later his family was probably in a better situation for him not leaving his family w/o support.
According to the history, these were written by people who believed in one form of the historical Jesus and were simplie ostricized by early Christian church, church fathers, and eventually what became mainstream Christianity as it exists in various formats today. The writers were not writing anything like the Toledot Yehu which came about way later in history.
How about he's trying to say, stop procrastinating with excuses? Why couldn't the man proclaim the kingdom as he buried his father? Why does living the worldly life have to be separated from following Jesus and proclaiming the kingdom?
Back up a couple of verses. He's speaking of obstacles. When family is in the way of doing what is right. That doesn't mean we have to abandon all if we can serve God as well. To say you must would be leaning on Paul instead of Jesus to guide the way.