Is Jesus the Light of Genesis 1:3?

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Many people don't understand what John is talking about in John chapter 1. He's saying Jesus is the Light of Genesis 1:3. Jesus is the "Word" and the Word is "Let there be Light". (Bird is officially not the word. )

This Light is not created but is Eternal Light manifest into the darkness of the world. Jesus the origin and the Light of the 7 days of creation was at last manifest into the world in human form. "The people who are walking in darkness Have seen a great light, Dwellers in a land of death-shade, Light hath shone upon them." (Isaiah 9:2) The ages of the world were created in the Light of this Star rather than in the light of our sun "Sol". This Star is the Sun of Righteousness who comes with healing in His wings. (Malachi 4:2) However many misunderstand how this Sun of Righteousness shines. It is within us that He shines. (2 Peter 1:19)

This Light is eternal and is not a new Light or created. God is Light (1 John 1:5). The Light of God was shining from the face of Jesus Christ in the world. (2 Corinthians 4:6) He now shines in the hearts of those who receive His sacred Spirit. This makes it so that inside; He shines more and more unto the brightness of a perfect day. This is the path of those justified. (Prov. 4:18) Perfect day = resurrection.

So this is what mystery John really is talking about as well as other things.

Anyone else see it this way?

 

[Deeje]

Many people don't understand what John is talking about in John chapter 1. He's saying Jesus is the Light of Genesis 1:3. Jesus is the "Word" and the Word is "Let there be Light".

Most people make no allowance for the fact that originally, there was no need for Christ to come into the world of mankind at all. If Adam and his wife had just obeyed the only command that carried the death penalty, we would never have needed a savior and we would never have known Jesus the Christ (in the flesh), sent from God to save us from their deliberate act of disobedience.

In the Genesis account of creation, I see the statement... "Let there be Light" as a simple statement of light from the sun penetrating to the surface of a planet previously shrouded in darkness......in order order for "green vegetation" to grow, there had to be light....literal light. The light was made visible on the second day and vegetation was created on the third day, ready for all the creatures who would use it as food. The sun itself and the moon ans stars became visible later on the 4th day.

This Light is not created but is Eternal Light manifest into the darkness of the world.

Since this is talking about literal light, Genesis says that "God created the heavens and the earth" in one enormous act of creation. This light was created. The light in Genesis is created by God, but it is from the sun.

Jesus the origin and the Light of the 7 days of creation was at last manifest into the world in human form.

Jesus in his pre-human existence was most certainly the agency "through" whom God created everything. (John 1: 2-5)
"This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it."

Once in the world, Jesus was the light that led men to the truth. When something shines in a dark place it overpowers the darkness.

"The people who are walking in darkness Have seen a great light, Dwellers in a land of death-shade, Light hath shone upon them." (Isaiah 9:2)

This was a prophesy about Jesus.....in the future, as Isaiah 9:6-7 explains....

"For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace
there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this." (ESV)

It was part of God's plan of salvation for his son to come into the world and give his life as a ransom....and then after a promised resurrection, he would eventually set up a kingdom (government) that would bring peace to the earth...this clearly has not happened yet. (Daniel 2:44)

Perfect day = resurrection.

Please define "resurrection". What "perfect day" is this?

 

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Most people make no allowance for the fact that originally, there was no need for Christ to come into the world of mankind at all. If Adam and his wife had just obeyed the only command that carried the death penalty, we would never have needed a savior and we would never have known Jesus the Christ (in the flesh), sent from God to save us from their deliberate act of disobedience.

Jesus was always destined to be the Light of God in the world but that doesn't mean He had to die for our sins. But the intention was always for Him to be the Light of the world. Jesus had to be the Light through the cross though because we did sin. If we had not sinned He would still be the Light but in some other way. Yet, He was destined to come "before the world was".

See 2 Timothy 1:9 and 1 Peter 1:20

In the Genesis account of creation, I see the statement... "Let there be Light" as a simple statement of light from the sun penetrating to the surface of a planet previously shrouded in darkness......in order order for "green vegetation" to grow, there had to be light....literal light. The light was made visible on the second day and vegetation was created on the third day, ready for all the creatures who would use it as food. The sun itself and the moon ans stars became visible later on the 4th day.

It cannot be Sol's light. Sol was created on the 4th day. He did not just appear; he was made on the 4th day. The Light of the days of creation were all the same Light of Genesis 1:3 which is Christ. Each of these days were not necessarily 24 hours ... actually in Psalm 90 we see a day to God is not like our days. So, we know there were 7 days of creation but in a different Light than Sol's light that we enjoy presently. Jesus is another Star of spiritual kind.

Since this is talking about literal light, Genesis says that "God created the heavens and the earth" in one enormous act of creation. This light was created. The light in Genesis is created by God, but it is from the sun.

It's both literal and spiritually discernible. Even Paul called at least part of Genesis an allegory. (Galatians 4:24) The fact is I believe it's all both literal and allegory.

Jesus in his pre-human existence was most certainly the agency "through" whom God created everything. (John 1: 2-5)
"This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it."

Once in the world, Jesus was the light that led men to the truth. When something shines in a dark place it overpowers the darkness.

Amen, however Jesus Himself didn't just lead people to truth. He actually said "I am the way, the truth and the life".

This was a prophesy about Jesus.....in the future, as Isaiah 9:6-7 explains....

"For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace
there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this." (ESV)

It was part of God's plan of salvation for his son to come into the world and give his life as a ransom....and then after a promised resurrection, he would eventually set up a kingdom (government) that would bring peace to the earth...this clearly has not happened yet. (Daniel 2:44)

Yes exactly, Genesis 1:3 is predestined Christ who would be the Light in the world. Since you see the Light was shining on the surface of the waters in Genesis then it's not to hard to understand that symbolically waters are people, nations, languages and tongues. (Revelation 17:15) This is why it's so significant that they who were in darkness saw a great Light.

Please define "resurrection". What "perfect day" is this?

There are bodies celestial and terrestrial. In the resurrection anyone obtaining the resurrection will put off their current clothing(that is the flesh) and will be clothed instead with perfection. So that the Light of God will shine for them and in them as bright as the noon-day sun or brighter. It will be as the path of the just that shines more and more unto a perfect day. Christ is the bright and morning Star and He arises in the hearts of those who receive Him just as Peter said.

 

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Anyone else see it this way?

When we've removed the fake Gospel of John, Yeshua said we are all meant to be the light.

Matthew 5:14-16 You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can’t be hidden. (15) Neither do you light a lamp, and put it under a measuring basket, but on a stand; and it shines to all who are in the house. (16) Even so, let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 6:22-23 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light. (23) But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

Luke 16:8 “His lord commended the dishonest manager because he had done wisely, for the children of this world are, in their own generation, wiser than the children of the light.

Think it comes down to this last verse, the Children of Light, know they're the Light of the World, and the children of this world borrow what isn't theirs.

In my opinion.

 

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This Light is not created but is Eternal Light

The light of Genesis 1 had a "beginning". As for Yeshua, he said he was the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13). While God may be eternal, Yeshua had a "beginning".

Genesis 1:1-3 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth... then God said, 'Let there be light' "

Revelation 22:13-21 King James Version (KJV)
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

 

[Deeje]

Jesus was always destined to be the Light of God in the world but that doesn't mean He had to die for our sins. But the intention was always for Him to be the Light of the world. Jesus had to be the Light through the cross though because we did sin. If we had not sinned He would still be the Light but in some other way. Yet, He was destined to come "before the world was".

See 2 Timothy 1:9 and 1 Peter 1:20

OK....this is actually not predestination the way you imagine it IMO.
1 Peter 1:20 ...."Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you"

If you look at that scripture in context, what is it saying?

Verses 17-21.....

"And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God." (ESV)

The phrase used is "before the foundation of the world". The Greek word "katabolē" translated "foundation" or in some Bibles "founding" relates to....."a throwing or laying down of seed

1. the injection or depositing of the virile semen in the womb"

See Strongs.... Genesis 1:1 (NASB)
The other word of interest is "world" which in Greek is "kosmos" which is invariably used to denote the world of mankind, not necessarily the planet. Put these two together and you gain a better understanding of what Peter means.

"The foundation of the world" is not talking about the creation of this planet, as if God already knew what Adam and Eve would choose before they did it.....it is talking about the foundation of the world of mankind...their children. Nothing can be foreordained with regard to free willed beings. An arrangement can be foretold, but not necessarily the individuals in it, who are not chosen beforehand. Free will means that when humans make decisions, God responds to their actions after the fact. Right there in Eden, after their sin, God foretold the coming of a seed who would bruise satan in the head. (Genesis 3:16) This was before Adam and his wife produced children....."the laying down of the seed" that produced the first human child born on this Earth....Cain. So Jesus' coming as the savior was foreordained from that point on. Prior to that his role was unnecessary.

For many centuries, the players in that Genesis prophesy were a mystery. But as time went on, more and more of the sacred secret concerning this promised savior became clearer.

It cannot be Sol's light. Sol was created on the 4th day. He did not just appear; he was made on the 4th day.

Genesis 1:1 says simply...."In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". That is the production of the universe with all the heavenly bodies created at one time. Our sun and its planets were all there at the start. Earth was a dark and formless void that was uninhabitable, like so many other planets prove to be. God then began to make it habitable....slowly transforming it so that life could eventually thrive.

The Light of the days of creation were all the same Light of Genesis 1:3 which is Christ.

I don't read that into those words. When God created the universe, the only light needed on planet Earth, was coming from our sun in order for the growth of vegetation to take place so that living creatures would have a self sustaining, never ending food supply. Jesus became the "light of the world" only after he became "the Christ" (anointed one) at his baptism.

Each of these days were not necessarily 24 hours ... actually in Psalm 90 we see a day to God is not like our days. So, we know there were 7 days of creation but in a different Light than Sol's light that we enjoy presently. Jesus is another Star of spiritual kind.

I agree that the creative days were not literal 24 hour days.....but I do not believe that the 7th day has ended. We are still in that 7th day, and the Revelation speaks about the thousand year reign of Jesus and his co-rulers, still to come. (Revelation 20:6) Only after the kingdom has accomplished all it was intended to do, can God end the 7th day with the same kind of declaration as all the rest of the days......it will yet be declared...."very good".

It's both literal and spiritually discernible. Even Paul called at least part of Genesis an allegory. (Galatians 4:24) The fact is I believe it's all both literal and allegory.

In context again, here is that scripture...."....it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born through natural descent and the other by the free woman through a promise. 24 These things may be taken as a symbolic drama; for these women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Siʹnai, which bears children for slavery and which is Haʹgar. 25 Now Haʹgar means Siʹnai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother."

It was a prophetic drama concerning the seed of promise. Hagar was the mother of Ishmael, Abraham's firstborn by Sarah's hand maiden. (from a form of surrogacy practiced at the time) but the promised seed was to come through Isaac. This reveals more about the seed promised in Genesis 3:15....from Abraham, to Isaac, to Jacob and then to the 12 tribes that came from Jacob's 12 sons.

Jesus Himself didn't just lead people to truth. He actually said "I am the way, the truth and the life".

To finish off that scripture, Jesus said..."No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6)
He also said that....."No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him..." (John 6:44)
So its a two way 'invitation only' arrangement. This is how God and his son keep out the 'undesirables'.

Yes exactly, Genesis 1:3 is predestined Christ who would be the Light in the world. Since you see the Light was shining on the surface of the waters in Genesis then it's not to hard to understand that symbolically waters are people, nations, languages and tongues. (Revelation 17:15) This is why it's so significant that they who were in darkness saw a great Light.

You can read symbolisms into just about everything if you look for them. I don't see the relationship of Genesis to Revelation as of any real significance in that regard. The waters in Genesis are literal and the waters in Revelation are symbolic. Revelation explains itself......so does Genesis IMO.

There are bodies celestial and terrestrial. In the resurrection anyone obtaining the resurrection will put off their current clothing(that is the flesh) and will be clothed instead with perfection.

Do you believe that all who follow Christ must go to heaven? Must they all "put off their current clothing"?
The Revelation tells a different story. (Revelation 7:9-19; 13-14) Only a chosen "few" will actually have that privilege. (144,000 Revelation 14:1, 3-4)

The vast majority of humankind will spent eternity right here on earth in their mortal flesh, but 'perfected' so that they can live the life that Adam and his wife were designed for.....everlasting life in paradise conditions, right here on earth, where God put us in the first place.

So many people get so hung up on going to heaven that they seem to forget that it was never in God's first purpose. Earth was designed to be our permanent home and it will yet be. (Revelation 21:2-4) Those chosen to be 'kings and priests' will have to have subjects who are sinners. Kings do not rule each other and priests need sinners for who to perform their duties. All who go to heaven become sinless immortals.

\So that the Light of God will shine for them and in them as bright as the noon-day sun or brighter. It will be as the path of the just that shines more and more unto a perfect day. Christ is the bright and morning Star and He arises in the hearts of those who receive Him just as Peter said.

This talking about the chosen ones....all of the first Christians were part of the "heavenly calling". (Hebrews 3:1)

I am not of the 'heavenly calling', so I look forward to everlasting life on earth under the Kingdom of God. I have no desire to go to heaven....but I have a natural desire to live in paradise...I don't believe that they are the same.

 

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The light of Genesis 1 had a "beginning". As for Yeshua, he said he was the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13). While God may be eternal, Yeshua had a "beginning".

Genesis 1:1-3 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth... then God said, 'Let there be light' "

Revelation 22:13-21 King James Version (KJV)
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Jesus saying He's the beginning is showing us how He begins everything. Genesis 1:3 is literally the first thing God says in the creation account. Jesus as the Light of the 7 days is the beginning and the end. The final day the Sabbath of God's rest is not yet come for us. As the Spirit said of the coming rest of God in Psalm 95 ...

 

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"The foundation of the world" is not talking about the creation of this planet, as if God already knew what Adam and Eve would choose before they did it.....it is talking about the foundation of the world of mankind...their children. Nothing can be foreordained with regard to free willed beings. An arrangement can be foretold, but not necessarily the individuals in it, who are not chosen beforehand. Free will means that when humans make decisions, God responds to their actions after the fact. Right there in Eden, after their sin, God foretold the coming of a seed who would bruise satan in the head. (Genesis 3:16) This was before Adam and his wife produced children....."the laying down of the seed" that produced the first human child born on this Earth....Cain. So Jesus' coming as the savior was foreordained from that point on. Prior to that his role was unnecessary.

For many centuries, the players in that Genesis prophesy were a mystery. But as time went on, more and more of the sacred secret concerning this promised savior became clearer.

I believe the foundations(plural) of the world are the 7 days of creation. Jesus is spoken before the 7 days. The 7 days are the foundations of our world and through foreshadowing they show us all the ages of the world to come. Jesus is the cornerstone of creation. This is the Light in which all things were made. Nothing then was made in darkness but all was made in the Light of days.

Genesis 1:1 says simply...."In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". That is the production of the universe with all the heavenly bodies created at one time. Our sun and its planets were all there at the start. Earth was a dark and formless void that was uninhabitable, like so many other planets prove to be. God then began to make it habitable....slowly transforming it so that life could eventually thrive.

The spiritual things of God are what is important to understand. We feed on worthless things naturally we are as the beasts who perish. Let he who is wise according to this world become a fool that he may be wise in the things of God. To those who have; He will give the more. The Spirit of wisdom as a dove is searching for a place to land. This Spirit is purer than anything and is more flowing than any liquid. Legalize and vanity of men's teachings only bogs the flow down.

I agree that the creative days were not literal 24 hour days.....but I do not believe that the 7th day has ended. We are still in that 7th day, and the Revelation speaks about the thousand year reign of Jesus and his co-rulers, still to come. (Revelation 20:6) Only after the kingdom has accomplished all it was intended to do, can God end the 7th day with the same kind of declaration as all the rest of the days......it will yet be declared...."very good".

The 7th day is yet to come for us (spiritually speaking) as Jesus said "my Father works hitherto and I work" The Sabbath of God's rest when God has ceased from His work is not yet arrived. Until then we are told to give Him no rest, until He makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth. This will not occur until the new Jerusalem descends down from heaven.

It was a prophetic drama concerning the seed of promise. Hagar was the mother of Ishmael, Abraham's firstborn by Sarah's hand maiden. (from a form of surrogacy practiced at the time) but the promised seed was to come through Isaac. This reveals more about the seed promised in Genesis 3:15....from Abraham, to Isaac, to Jacob and then to the 12 tribes that came from Jacob's 12 sons.

All true, but this shows us that more of Genesis can be allegory as well. Those who seek wisdom will seek understanding also in mysteries. If every Word of God was plain and obvious then the Jews would believe Jesus is the Messiah right now. It is not so plain or obvious and God will show it to only those who seek it by faith. As Jesus said, ask and you will receive, seek and you will find.

To finish off that scripture, Jesus said..."No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6)
He also said that....."No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him..." (John 6:44)
So its a two way 'invitation only' arrangement. This is how God and his son keep out the 'undesirables'.

Yet every word of God is true and the scripture cannot be broken. If Jesus is the Truth so be it. God desires us all(no one is undesirable to God for He made us all) but the seed is sown in furrows(that is ground which has been prepared beforehand). This kind of hearer will receive the wisdom that is from above.

You can read symbolisms into just about everything if you look for them. I don't see the relationship of Genesis to Revelation as of any real significance in that regard. The waters in Genesis are literal and the waters in Revelation are symbolic. Revelation explains itself......so does Genesis IMO.

The things of God are hidden from those who are wise and prudent in their own sight and instead revealed to babes. (This is to hide pride from man Job 33:17) Even the identity of Jesus or the Father cannot be known unless He reveals the truth to us. No one knows the Father unless the Son reveals Him. And no one knows the Son unless the Father reveals Him. The doctrines of men are vanity. They as drunkenness do take away the heart and cause us to go astray from the right way. The right path is to seek by the hand of God upon you to know the truth as God will reveal it to you from the scriptures or otherwise.

So many people get so hung up on going to heaven that they seem to forget that it was never in God's first purpose. Earth was designed to be our permanent home and it will yet be. (Revelation 21:2-4) Those chosen to be 'kings and priests' will have to have subjects who are sinners. Kings do not rule each other and priests need sinners for who to perform their duties. All who go to heaven become sinless immortals.

The resurrection will occur and will end with everyone who is resurrected reigning on land and the new Jerusalem will come down from the sky to the new land.

This talking about the chosen ones....all of the first Christians were part of the "heavenly calling". (Hebrews 3:1)

I am not of the 'heavenly calling', so I look forward to everlasting life on earth under the Kingdom of God. I have no desire to go to heaven....but I have a natural desire to live in paradise...I don't believe that they are the same.

That's unbiblical that only 144,000(or whatever) will be of the heavenly calling. Besides there is a difference between being called and being chosen. As Jesus taught; many are called, but few are chosen. Jesus also taught strive to enter the narrow gate ... for many will try and not be able. Again Jesus taught that many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

 

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When we've removed the fake Gospel of John, Yeshua said we are all meant to be the light.

Matthew 5:14-16 You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can’t be hidden. (15) Neither do you light a lamp, and put it under a measuring basket, but on a stand; and it shines to all who are in the house. (16) Even so, let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 6:22-23 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light. (23) But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

Luke 16:8 “His lord commended the dishonest manager because he had done wisely, for the children of this world are, in their own generation, wiser than the children of the light.

Think it comes down to this last verse, the Children of Light, know they're the Light of the World, and the children of this world borrow what isn't theirs.

In my opinion.

Can an oil lamp shed light without oil? Can a light bulb give light without electricity? Five virgins were wise and five were foolish and took no oil with them. The gospel of John is 100% true. John chapter 1 + 1st John chapter 1 + Genesis chapter 1. This is a great mystery unveiled by John in Genesis 1.

 

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This is a great mystery unveiled by John in Genesis 1.

John twists the ideas, and will explain why: Yeshua had the spirit of YHVH upon him; John makes him the son of YHVH.

'My house of prayer', becomes 'my fathers house of prayer'... Yeshua was the Lord of David.

The mysteries are that Yeshua (YHVH) was part of the Elohim at the beginning of creation.

Can an oil lamp shed light without oil?

Which is why we first seek the kingdom of God, and then all things become open to us.

Can a light bulb give light without electricity?

When there is a CME (Coronal Mass Ejection - 4th angel in Revelation), the Ionization of the atmosphere can make it wires glow.

In my opinion.

 

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Jesus saying He's the beginning is showing us how He begins everything. Genesis 1:3 is literally the first thing God says in the creation account. Jesus as the Light of the 7 days is the beginning and the end. The final day the Sabbath of God's rest is not yet come for us. As the Spirit said of the coming rest of God in Psalm 95 ...

My point was that you said, "his Light is not created but is Eternal Light". My point was that light and the alpha, all had a beginning, a "creation". As for the 7 days, those days had both light and darkness/night. As for Psalm 95, it is predicated on "if your would hear His voice", otherwise the consequences are "truly they shall not enter into my rest". As for who will be reunited and come into a 'covenant of peace" and "they will be my people" read Ezekiel 37.

 

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John twists the ideas, and will explain why: Yeshua had the spirit of YHVH upon him; John makes him the son of YHVH.

'My house of prayer', becomes 'my fathers house of prayer'... Yeshua was the Lord of David.

The mysteries are that Yeshua (YHVH) was part of the Elohim at the beginning of creation.

Which is why we first seek the kingdom of God, and then all things become open to us.

When there is a CME (Coronal Mass Ejection - 4th angel in Revelation), the Ionization of the atmosphere can make it wires glow.

In my opinion.

He is the Son because He was born by the Spirit of God. (Luke 1:35)

The mysteries are not just that He was part of the Elohim. He was the fullness of the Elohim (Colossians 2:8-9). Now the Elohim had actually shone His Light in the world. Whereas before He was not in the world. Where as we had heard of Him but now the Father of lights had visited us in the flesh. He's the ultimate revelation unto us so far. However, He's not just an "avatar" like the Hindus believe in for their gods. I mean that's not far off to say Jesus is an avatar of the most High. Yet, it's maybe not conveying the full picture. Because Jesus was not just God appearing in human form out of the middle of the air. Instead, He actually was born and grew up had a childhood; everything. So His human body was created in the womb. Therefore, He's the Son of God, but the fullness of the Divine nature dwelt in Him bodily and was not created.

My point was that you said, "his Light is not created but is Eternal Light". My point was that light and the alpha, all had a beginning, a "creation". As for the 7 days, those days had both light and darkness/night. As for Psalm 95, it is predicated on "if your would hear His voice", otherwise the consequences are "truly they shall not enter into my rest". As for who will be reunited and come into a 'covenant of peace" and "they will be my people" read Ezekiel 37.

I think that Light in this world had a beginning. That is an entry point. Where as you know that Jesus was created bodily in the womb of Mary (fearfully and wonderfully made) ... yet you know before hand He existed. So then although the Light was spoken into this world(Genesis 1:3) yet was pre-existent in the form of God. (1 John 1:5) God is Light ... and the light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.

The Covenant of peace is the sure mercies of David. The resurrection of Christ. The tabernacle in their midst is the holy city the new Jerusalem. Which is the church ... the temple of God and the body of Christ. Whoever is in the body of Christ are members of His body and are joining in the sure mercies of David. The sure mercies of David are for Jesus and through Jesus extended to anyone in His body.

 

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The Covenant of peace is the sure mercies of David.

You wrote: The final day the Sabbath of God's rest is not yet come for us. As the Spirit said of the coming rest of God in Psalm 95 ...

The 7th day, God's rest, is the millennium. The day of rest the followers of Sol Invictus, the sun god, is the 8th day, the day of rest of the "Christians", the day of the sun, for that represents the day of the 2nd death, when the followers of the dragon, Sol Invictus, enter into their rest, the 2nd death. The covenant of peace (Ez 37:26) is made the "combined" "stick of Judah", and the combined "stick of Israel" (Ez 37:19) on the land God gave to Jacob (Ez 37:25), with My servant David as their king (Ez 37:24), during the millennium, the 7th day, the Sabbath of God.

 

[74x12]

You wrote: The final day the Sabbath of God's rest is not yet come for us. As the Spirit said of the coming rest of God in Psalm 95 ...

The 7th day, God's rest, is the millennium. The day of rest the followers of Sol Invictus, the sun god, is the 8th day, the day of rest of the "Christians", the day of the sun, for that represents the day of the 2nd death, when the followers of the dragon, Sol Invictus, enter into their rest, the 2nd death. The covenant of peace (Ez 37:26) is made the "combined" "stick of Judah", and the combined "stick of Israel" (Ez 37:19) on the land God gave to Jacob (Ez 37:25), with My servant David as their king (Ez 37:24), during the millennium, the 7th day, the Sabbath of God.

Yes maybe the millennium will be the rest for starters because as you know the world will rest then in the Light of Christ ... However God will rest in the new Jerusalem forever so this is the rest that never ends which God seeks.

What day you worship on is not important. The Sabbath that is coming is what is important.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

He's saying Jesus is the Light of Genesis 1:3. Jesus is the "Word" and the Word is "Let there be Light".

Is that actually a given in Genesis, or just an inference by non-Jews? I'll tell you what is a given in Genesis 1: that Elohim is used in it's rare plural form when the chapter says Elohim made heaven and earth. Rather that means the Christian Trinity is another matter.

Could just as easily mean the heavenly council of gods referenced in the leftover bits of polytheistic tradition in the Hebrew Bible stating that God has sons and daughters.

Bird is officially not the word.

I'm not sure I like where you're heading with this. Them's fightin words!

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes maybe the millennium will be the rest for starters because as you know the world will rest then in the Light of Christ ... However God will rest in the new Jerusalem forever so this is the rest that never ends which God seeks.

What day you worship on is not important. The Sabbath that is coming is what is important.

You might want to worship God every day of the week by keeping his Commandments (1 John 5:3), but as for resting, that would be the 7th day of the week. Why risk the wine of the wrath of God, just to be in vogue.(Revelation 14:9-10).

As for the world/nations resting, I think they will be under the rule of the "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15).

 

[wizanda]

I mean that's not far off to say Jesus is an avatar of the most High.

Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David,

 

[William Milverton]

Is Jesus the Light of Genesis 1:3?


No
God the Father exits outside The Creation, in eternity
God the Son is The Creation and contains The Creation
The Creation comprises a number of universes
Lord Jesus is a creator aspect of God the Son
Lord Jesus created your universe
He was the God of the Old Testament

The Light of Genesis 1:3 was the Holy Ghost
The Holy Ghost is TIME, which has personality
TIME creates space
The Holy Ghost is the video game in which you exist
He is your environment, which has life

The Darkness of Genesis 1:3 is The Living Darkness
Its purpose is to eradicate the error of Life
'Existence' is a balance between The Holy Ghost and The Living Darkness
You know this as the 'scales of justice'

 

[wizanda]

Revelation 21:22-24 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb, are its temple. (23) The city has no need for the sun, neither of the moon, to shine, for the very glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb. (24) The nations will walk in its light. The kings of the earth bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.

 

[74x12]

Is that actually a given in Genesis, or just an inference by non-Jews? I'll tell you what is a given in Genesis 1: that Elohim is used in it's rare plural form when the chapter says Elohim made heaven and earth. Rather that means the Christian Trinity is another matter.

John was a Jew. I'm not trinitarian. However I believe it's Elohim for a good reason. What do you think?