Is July 4th evil

[YoursTrue]

What would we do if it the 4th of July was evil? Would we just change the calendars to go straight from the 3rd directly to the 5th?

oh heavens to Betsy, the banks and post offices might have to be open. They might not like that. Of course the ones that got killed from both sides during that war of "Independence" from Britain or had their brains blown out or legs and arms ripped off might enjoy the celebration, you think?

 

[Eddi]

Er, we don't vote on July 4th, just so you know.

I will be

 

[Left Coast]

lol, no, you're right about that. On the other hand, the loud banging on July 4th can affect some people badly, also their animals. (Oh well...I am not going to stop it, but thanks for the reminder so I'll put ear plugs in...) But naturally the thrill of the fireworks, even though thousands get hurt each year obviously makes up for any inconvenience and harm setting those fireworks might bring about.

People get into car accidents and die in them every single day. Yet in general, I presume you don't find driving safely immoral?

 

[YoursTrue]

People get into car accidents and die in them every single day. Yet in general, I presume you don't find driving safely immoral?

If they're drunk and kill or hurt someone, they are engaging in criminal activity. But if you want to argue over it, please -- I believe it's opt-out time for me...

 

[Left Coast]

If they're drunk and kill or hurt someone, they are engaging in criminal activity. But if you want to argue over it, please -- I believe it's opt-out time for me...

I find objecting to celebrating holidays because they're loud to be rather silly. But you're right, there's no need to argue. I'll celebrate how I want and you don't have to. That's freedom.

 

[YoursTrue]

I find objecting to celebrating holidays because they're loud to be rather silly. But you're right, there's no need to argue. I'll celebrate how I want and you don't have to. That's freedom.

Right. And it's freedom I suppose to rejoice over the thousands who fought each other to the death and then make some living people and animals nervous over the loud bangs as well as the thousands who get hurt each year from these celebrations.

 

[Left Coast]

Right. And it's freedom I suppose to rejoice over the thousands who fought each other to the death and then make some living people and animals nervous over the loud bangs as well as the thousands who get hurt each year from these celebrations.

I thought you didn't want to argue?

And yes, that is freedom. Parties are loud. And people get hurt partying just like they get hurt driving and doing all kinds of things. People should be responsible. And people fighting and dying for the independence of our country from the British Empire is something to celebrate.

 

[YoursTrue]

I thought you didn't want to argue?

And yes, that is freedom. Parties are loud. And people get hurt partying just like they get hurt driving and doing all kinds of things. People should be responsible. And people fighting and dying for the independence of our country from the British Empire is something to celebrate.

From what I am reading, not that many were behind the intention to break from Britain until influence from certain individuals. But that is not really the main point. Me personally, if I don't want to get hurt or hurt someone deliberately or by accident, I would not become a boxer. I also wouldn't drink and drive. I really don't think living in Great Britain is so bad, do you? And of course situations in the various countries are getting worse due to mankind's influence in many ways. Yes, I don't want to argue, I am expressing my viewpoint. For me, there is no argument.

 

[YoursTrue]

I find objecting to celebrating holidays because they're loud to be rather silly. But you're right, there's no need to argue. I'll celebrate how I want and you don't have to. That's freedom.

I hope when you celebrate that you don't live close to me and also don't get hurt or upset the people and dogs and cats in the vicinity. I hope you don't set off your own firecrackers. Now that you mention it, there are fireworks in my area, yes, it can be annoying but usually the city takes care of it, spending of course taxpayer money while they could be fixing up sewers, etc., to cope with all the flooding. But that's how it is. Now.

 

[Left Coast]

From what I am reading, not that many were behind the intention to break from Britain until influence from certain individuals. But that is not really the main point. Me personally, if I don't want to get hurt or hurt someone deliberately or by accident, I would not become a boxer. I also wouldn't drink and drive. I really don't think living in Great Britain is so bad, do you? And of course situations in the various countries are getting worse due to mankind's influence in many ways. Yes, I don't want to argue, I am expressing my viewpoint. For me, there is no argument.

I don't know if you've studied the history of modern England but, um...things have changed slightly since the 1700s.

 

[Left Coast]

I hope when you celebrate that you don't live close to me and also don't get hurt or upset the people and dogs and cats in the vicinity. I hope you don't set off your own firecrackers. Now that you mention it, there are fireworks in my area, yes, it can be annoying but usually the city takes care of it, spending of course taxpayer money while they could be fixing up sewers, etc., to cope with all the flooding. But that's how it is. Now.

And of course, there are a thousand ways we could better spend taxpayer money. It's weird that you pick the tiny amount spent on policing firecrackers once a year as your soapbox. Holiday celebrations aren't breaking anyone's budget.

Your fundamental issue with holidays is theological. Your religion tells you they're bad, so you don't celebrate them. So just say that instead of coming up with whatever other excuses.

 

[SalixIncendium]

oh heavens to Betsy, the banks and post offices might have to be open. They might not like that. Of course the ones that got killed from both sides during that war of "Independence" from Britain or had their brains blown out or legs and arms ripped off might enjoy the celebration, you think?

I don't assume what people who are alive are thinking, let alone ones that are dead.

I thought we were celebrating the signing of the Declaration of Independence, not the Revolutionary War. Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[McBell]

I don't assume what people who are alive are thinking, let alone ones that are dead.

I thought we were celebrating the signing of the Declaration of Independence, not the Revolutionary War. Thanks for setting me straight.

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[McBell]

What would we do if it the 4th of July was evil? Would we just change the calendars to go straight from the 3rd directly to the 5th?

Change it to the second like John Adams wanted...

 

[McBell]

That's right. He witnessed, spoke up for, taught about his heavenly Father. and his relationship with Him. Clarified some things. Threw out the money-changers. No record of him going to birthday parties, not even his own. Nothing about celebrating anything patriotic about Israel either.

Interesting you bring up the whole "no record" thing.
Especially given there is "no record" of two thirds his life...

If we are going to go the "no record" route, how many times did Jesus use the bathroom?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Change it to the second like John Adams wanted...

Well, then we'd have to discuss the possibility of the 2nd of July being evil...

Then we'd have to discuss changing our calendar to this...

...instead of this...

 

[McBell]

There's no record of him using electric lights either, but I'm assuming you have no general problem doing that.

Did he ever poop?
I mean, there is no record of him ever pooping, right?

 

[McBell]

oh heavens to Betsy, the banks and post offices might have to be open. They might not like that. Of course the ones that got killed from both sides during that war of "Independence" from Britain or had their brains blown out or legs and arms ripped off might enjoy the celebration, you think?

I take it you are not a big fan of Memorial day either, right?

 

[McBell]

Well, then we'd have to discuss the possibility of the 2nd of July being evil...

Then we'd have to discuss changing our calendar to this...

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...instead of this...

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I disagree.
BOTH the 2nd AND the 4th should be removed.
I mean, if you gonna mess up the calendar, don't go half ***ed....

 

[Debater Slayer]

Is July 4th evil

I'm almost completely indifferent to it.

I don't see it as "evil," although I know that some may see it along those lines for various reasons (whether religious or political reasons). I acknowledge that the European settlement in the US involved bloodshed, genocide, and slavery, but I don't think that celebrating July 4 necessitates indifference toward or endorsement of any of those things. It seems normal and reasonable to me that many people would just be celebrating the founding of the country they call home.