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Is no religion better than religion?

Should we abandon religion?

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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
What in the world is nightmarish about Jayzus, as you say, coming to cleanse the earth of evil doers? Even if I were an evil doer I would have to admire that prospect. If I weren't an evil doer then I would be even more happy with the idea..

But. Like ALL robotic, and inflexible depictions of LAW? Everyone is evil-- at least in part-- so the Magic Jew comes down with flaming apparatus and destroys everyone-- none are spared, as none are pure enough. Classic Story, actually.

But fits perfectly in the narrative of a 100% inflexible god of the bible-- who is SO rigid that he cannot figure out how to simply forgive, like a sane human being can.

Perhaps if the Xian god had some wee empathy for his creation? No?

We see he frequently gets mad and goes off on a rampage of destruction-- for the slighest of mistakes, too-- like, say, putting out a steady hand to keep the Ark from taking a tumble.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
On of the greatest prejudices is religious prejudice.

Prejudices can blind us to many things and what you have said has little to do with the way Faith unfolds in peoples hearts.

If we make our heart receptive to God, our frames of references can also change.

Have a great and fun life.

Regards Tony


Except that faith is 100% useless to discover ANYTHING.

Why? Because there is NOTHING behind it! It guides NO WHERE-- or more accurately, it enables a gullible human to be guided by outside forces into ludicrous and nonsensical myths.

Have your god say, "Hi!"

Make me look silly. Can your god do that?

No?

Well... there you go! A god who cannot muster up sufficient Godliness to bother a simple "hi" to individuals of it's alleged creation?

IS ABSOLUTELY UNWORTHY OF THE TITLE.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Except that faith is 100% useless to discover ANYTHING.

Why? Because there is NOTHING behind it! It guides NO WHERE-- or more accurately, it enables a gullible human to be guided by outside forces into ludicrous and nonsensical myths.

Have your god say, "Hi!"

Make me look silly. Can your god do that?

No?

Well... there you go! A god who cannot muster up sufficient Godliness to bother a simple "hi" to individuals of it's alleged creation?

IS ABSOLUTELY UNWORTHY OF THE TITLE.

Well Hi, that was easy as friendship is all I will offer and it is God that gave me that peace in life.

You are welcome for a coffee and cake anytime.

Where does your anger amd predudice for religion come from?

Regards Tony
 

Earthling

David Henson
But. Like ALL robotic, and inflexible depictions of LAW? Everyone is evil-- at least in part-- so the Magic Jew comes down with flaming apparatus and destroys everyone-- none are spared, as none are pure enough. Classic Story, actually.

I don't know what law you are referring to here, but the Law of Moses was set up to fail, in as much as it couldn't be upheld by anyone that had been born into a system that was broken. The law served in various capacities, some practical, like the hygienic laws, some symbolic, as in the sacrificial, etc. Man, for example, wasn't created for the sabbath but the sabbath was created for man.

The law served to inform the people of their inability to uphold it, their need for justice which couldn't be achieved in any real sense by the law, and the possibility of a more perfect law.

But fits perfectly in the narrative of a 100% inflexible god of the bible-- who is SO rigid that he cannot figure out how to simply forgive, like a sane human being can.

Perhaps to a misinformed believer or uninformed unbeliever, but not to someone who understands it, outside of the religious and mundane.

Perhaps if the Xian god had some wee empathy for his creation? No?

It's kind of moot, though, isn't it? If the Xian were a mythical invention like the ones believers and unbelievers alike teach their children because it's adorable, he would be harmless and fun. If he were a monster like the unbelievers often present him within the context of a being that is hated, then it transcends the emotional medium in which it's presented. The survivor would want to side with the monster, no matter how vile, in order to survive.

That pisses you off. It's a challenge to your world view, it's a challenge to your so called "morality," intellectualism, etc. But in a practical sense, if based upon any truth, would be impractical in battle against such a being.

We see he frequently gets mad and goes off on a rampage of destruction-- for the slighest of mistakes, too-- like, say, putting out a steady hand to keep the Ark from taking a tumble.

Hypothetically let's say you and I are on the job. I'm training you and I say to you, clearly: "Don't touch this machine, it will kill you." If you touch the machine, dude, don't blame me.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Well Hi, that was easy as friendship is all I will offer and it is God that gave me that peace in life.

You are welcome for a coffee and cake anytime.

Where does your anger amd predudice for religion come from?

Regards Tony

My anger is all the evil at the hand of religion, all over the world.

My "prejudice" is justified. See above.

In the entire history of Earth? NOT ONE good idea or new discovery because of religion.

In fact? Religion actively suppresses such things: forces people to suicide if they go against dogma.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I don't know what law you are referring to here, but the Law of Moses was set up to fail,

I'm going to have to stop reading what you said, right there.

Why? Because such a deity is either PURE EVIL? Or simply dumber than a box of rocks.

Is not this god wise enough to foresee it's failure? Is this god too inept to create a species that WON'T fail?

No... your god is the god of a 2 year old's vision: Not unlike what a toddler might imagine, the first time he witnesses the tides come in and ruin his sand castle.

Except? A toddler would have much more empathy!
 

Earthling

David Henson
I'm going to have to stop reading what you said, right there.

Why?

I know, I know . . . you just want to rant. It makes you feel better, which implies your original proclamation of feeling better isn't very accurate. You see why you formerly warmers puzzle us believers? It's like you're protesting that God isn't while cursing him as is.

It's like you joined your idol's fan club and were disappointed at their representation but never met the real star.

If I were talking to someone who had labored under some delusion for some time who claimed to be better but was ranting like you I would say you weren't any better.

Because such a deity is either PURE EVIL? Or simply dumber than a box of rocks.

Is not this god wise enough to foresee it's failure? Is this god too inept to create a species that WON'T fail?

No... your god is the god of a 2 year old's vision: Not unlike what a toddler might imagine, the first time he witnesses the tides come in and ruin his sand castle.

Except? A toddler would have much more empathy!

But what does that have to do with anything?
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I know, I know . . . you just want to rant. It makes you feel better, which implies your original proclamation of feeling better isn't very accurate. You see why you formerly warmers puzzle us believers? It's like you're protesting that God isn't while cursing him as is. .

Projection. I don't believe in gods. But. I DO believe in hate-filled god-robots. Like, say, you for instance. You've heaped nothing but derision on me from day 1.

I see the evil that the God Virus does to humanity, so naturally I push back-- it wasn't THAT long ago, when your sort would have murdered unbelievers like me, out of hand, with no consequences. In fact? You had the government on your side! And you ask why we push back against any and all hate-cults?


It's like you joined your idol's fan club and were disappointed at their representation but never met the real star..

Projection. Your own hate-filled shortcomings are your own, not mine.

Here: Have your god say "Hi!" No? You can't and absolutely refuse to even try?

SEE? YOU KNOW YOUR GOD ISN'T REAL JUST AS MUCH AS I DO.

If I were talking to someone who had labored under some delusion for some time who claimed to be better but was ranting like you I would say you weren't any better.
.

Projection Again. Strawman, if you prefer.

But what does that have to do with anything?

Everything. Absolutely everything: You are so deep into the Virus Program, that you do not see how Evil your brand of "god" really is.

No WONDER you think everyone is mad, or hates you! Wow... Ego, much?
 

Earthling

David Henson
Projection. I don't believe in gods. But. I DO believe in hate-filled god-robots. Like, say, you for instance. You've heaped nothing but derision on me from day 1.

I see the evil that the God Virus does to humanity, so naturally I push back-- it wasn't THAT long ago, when your sort would have murdered unbelievers like me, out of hand, with no consequences. In fact? You had the government on your side! And you ask why we push back against any and all hate-cults?




Projection. Your own hate-filled shortcomings are your own, not mine.

Here: Have your god say "Hi!" No? You can't and absolutely refuse to even try?

SEE? YOU KNOW YOUR GOD ISN'T REAL JUST AS MUCH AS I DO.



Projection Again. Strawman, if you prefer.



Everything. Absolutely everything: You are so deep into the Virus Program, that you do not see how Evil your brand of "god" really is.

No WONDER you think everyone is mad, or hates you! Wow... Ego, much?

[Laughs] OK. Carry on in your healing process.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
To say Hi to someone? And what would you do if that someone approached you and said "Hey, stupid, God said Hi to me!"

Depends. If they had a gun? I'd call the cops, informing them a deranged and insane individual had escaped the insane asylum.

Anyone with the egotistical arrogance to claim to speak for god? Is 100% proof there is no, actual god.

A god worthy of the name? Needs no such middlemen.

Gods who use middlemen? Are not real, therefore: con jobs, at best.
 

Earthling

David Henson
Depends. If they had a gun? I'd call the cops, informing them a deranged and insane individual had escaped the insane asylum.

Anyone with the egotistical arrogance to claim to speak for god? Is 100% proof there is no, actual god.

A god worthy of the name? Needs no such middlemen.

Gods who use middlemen? Are not real, therefore: con jobs, at best.

It's a good thing you know so much about these pesky Gods! Why, I bet you ought'a write a book so's to help other poor unsuspecting souls from spending all that time wasted on Sunday School teaching and all that.

You could make some money!
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Shouldn’t an omnipotent being be obvious? Why would snyone have ro “find” it?
Do you want wisdom? Look to nature. Look to the world. What can you learn? Wisdom is everywhere. Nothing has great value unless it is rare and you have to obtain it. Many men have searched for gold. Only a (relative) few ever found a fortune.
 

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
Shouldn’t an omnipotent being be obvious? Why would snyone have ro “find” it?

In what way? like a giant dude in the sky (with a pair of sunglasses) that floats around every day waving to people?

"Hey Skyguy, thanks for being cool and all. You're so rad Skyguy, thanks for chilling with me this afternoon when everything is boring as"

Or doing medical procedures on Skyguy? "Yep, that's his leg alright!"

Come on, dude :tearsofjoy:
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
In what way? like a giant dude in the sky (with a pair of sunglasses) that floats around every day waving to people?

"Hey Skyguy, thanks for being cool and all. You're so rad Skyguy, thanks for chilling with me this afternoon when everything is boring as"

Or doing medical procedures on Skyguy? "Yep, that's his leg alright!"

Come on, dude :tearsofjoy:

Thanks for your caricature of my point.

If a god is omnipotent, and he is doing things that alter the flow of natural processes and laws, those interferences should show up easily enough. Answering prayer comes to mind. That should be teatabel (and it has been).
Of course, this is assuming the god has any interaction with the natural world. If he does not interact with the naturalnworld in any way, he would be as undetectable as a god that does not exist, and equally useless.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Do you want wisdom? Look to nature. Look to the world. What can you learn? Wisdom is everywhere. Nothing has great value unless it is rare and you have to obtain it. Many men have searched for gold. Only a (relative) few ever found a fortune.

Okay, so we can observe nature and learn about it. How does that answer my question?
 

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
Thanks for your caricature of my point.

If a god is omnipotent, and he is doing things that alter the flow of natural processes and laws, those interferences should show up easily enough. Answering prayer comes to mind. That should be teatabel (and it has been).
Of course, this is assuming the god has any interaction with the natural world. If he does not interact with the naturalnworld in any way, he would be as undetectable as a god that does not exist, and equally useless.

You're thinking about things in very strange ways: "guy", "dude", "chick", "person", "bloke", "entity", which is a complete mischaracterisation.
And if God was our little caricature, then I too would be an "Atheist".

Do you honestly think that most "theists" believe in a person floating up in the clouds, who has a house and sends you letters? things are not that simple or cartoony.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The answer may be a resounding "No" for many of us for all sorts of reasons.

The Baha'i Faith teaches that religion should be like a healing medicine causing love and unity between peoples. If it does the opposite and causes estrangement and hatred, then that religion is no religion. Instead of being a healing medicine it is a deadly poison. It is noble and a truly religious act in the sight of God to leave such a religion.

Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth; it should give birth to spirituality, and bring light and life to every soul. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division it would be better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act. For it is clear that the purpose of a remedy is to cure, but if the remedy only aggravates the complaint, it had better be left alone. Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 158-160

So at what point do you believe religion is harmful and at what point if at all should be abandon religion?

Your thoughts and comments are appreciated as always.

That sounds just about right, to be sincere.
 
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