is not WMD invent to be used? just tell me when and where ?

[Flankerl]

as you said before , who knows , in war ,one uses what one has

Uh no.
There is this thing called consequences and the cost/gain relationship
You don't use nuclear weapons and hope that your enemy won't use them.
And you don't use nuclear weapons for a single bomber being shot down.


MAD.

 

[Godobeyer]

War is war. If you win you are right.
If you lose you aren't.

i disagree with this .

during NAZI won so they were right ?
the right and wong had nothing to do with war result ,especialy when it's come to civilians casuatlies .

It's better not to think about something like this.
First because its rather grim and no ordinary person could do anything against it.

And secondly because it simply won't happen. Russia is already hurting Turkey with its economic sanctions.


And what you really have to understand is that there is no "right" or "wrong" in war. Categories like this are made up in peaceful times. War is war.

I think if Turkey will take down another Russian aircraft , the Russians will strike Turkey by missiles .

Haha
Movies are ... well movies.

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major industrial cities who were producing for the war effort.
And such cities were bombed during WW2 by all sides.

maybe you ignore that some movies tell about history (facts), and about real story happened , it's not comedy or romance all time
but war is war , and movies is movies

so just because both (Hiroshima and Nagasaki ) were industrail cities was bombed , do you had historic reference of the motivation of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?

then why most of cities bombed (not just industrial cities ) ?

 

[Jumi]

It doesn't matter that much where nukes would be used, as long as it hit a Nato ally or Russian ally I think much of the planet could be dead in a moment.

 

[Godobeyer]

Uh no.
There is this thing called consequences and the cost/gain relationship
You don't use nuclear weapons and hope that your enemy won't use them.
And you don't use nuclear weapons for a single bomber being shot down.

MAD.

so whom don't have nuclear weapons whom suppose care about them selfs to be hitted by nukes !!!

we are human , i am not sure , and there is no waranty for our actions in war time .

 

[Flankerl]

i disagree with this .

during NAZI won so they were right ?
the right and wong had nothing to do with war result ,especialy when it's come to civilians casuatlies .

Yes of course they would've been right.
They would've mandated what is moral and what is not.

I think if Turkey will take down another Russian aircraft , the Russians will strike Turkey by missiles .

Good for you.

maybe you ignore that some movies tell about history (facts), and about real story happened , it's not comedy or romance all time
but war is war , and movies is movies

so just because both (Hiroshima and Nagasaki ) were industrail cities was bombed , do you had historic reference of the motivation of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?

then why most of cities bombed (not just industrial cities ) ?

The "Pearl Harbor" movie is historically incorrect.
In the movie Japanese planes strafe civilians, civilian houses get bombed etc. This for example did not happen.

If you want to watch a proper movie about the event watch Tora Tora Tora.

Spoiler: Hiroshima

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima

At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of both industrial and military significance. A number of military units were located nearby, the most important of which was the headquarters of Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's Second General Army, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan,[106] and was located in Hiroshima Castle. Hata's command consisted of some 400,000 men, most of whom were on Kyushu where an Allied invasion was correctly anticipated.[107] Also present in Hiroshima were the headquarters of the 59th Army, the 5th Division and the 224th Division, a recently formed mobile unit.[108]The city was defended by five batteries of 7-cm and 8-cm (2.8 and 3.1 inch) anti-aircraft guns of the 3rd Anti-Aircraft Division, including units from the 121st and 122nd Anti-Aircraft Regiments and the 22nd and 45th Separate Anti-Aircraft Battalions. In total, over 40,000 military personnel were stationed in the city.[109]

Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military, but it also had large stockpiles of military supplies.[110] The city was also a communications center, a key port for shipping and an assembly area for troops.[75] It was also the second largest city in Japan after Kyoto that was still undamaged by air raids,[111] due to the fact that it lacked the aircraft manufacturing industry that was the XXI Bomber Command's priority target. On July 3, the Joint Chiefs of Staff placed it off limits to bombers, along with Kokura, Niigata and Kyoto.[112]

The center of the city contained several reinforced concrete buildings and lighter structures. Outside the center, the area was congested by a dense collection of small timber-made workshops set among Japanese houses. A few larger industrial plants lay near the outskirts of the city. The houses were constructed of timber with tile roofs, and many of the industrial buildings were also built around timber frames. The city as a whole was highly susceptible to fire damage.[113]

Spoiler: Nagasaki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Nagasaki_during_World_War_II

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest seaports in southern Japan, and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The four largest companies in the city were Mitsubishi Shipyards, Electrical Shipyards, Arms Plant, and Steel and Arms Works, which employed about 90% of the city's labor force, and accounted for 90% of the city's industry.[171] Although an important industrial city, Nagasaki had been spared from firebombing because its geography made it difficult to locate at night withAN/APQ-13 radar.[112]

Unlike the other target cities, Nagasaki had not been placed off limits to bombers by the Joint Chiefs of Staff's July 3 directive,[112][172] and was bombed on a small scale five times. During one of these raids on August 1, a number of conventional high-explosive bombs were dropped on the city. A few hit the shipyards and dock areas in the southwest portion of the city, and several hit the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works.[171] By early August, the city was defended by the IJA 134th Anti-Aircraft Regiment of the 4th Anti-Aircraft Division with four batteries of 7 cm (2.8 in) anti-aircraft guns and two searchlight batteries.[109]

And most cities weren't bombed. This was not the case in Japan or Germany.

Though in the case of Germany the British acted a bit differently.

so whom don't have nuclear weapons whom suppose care about them selfs to be hitted by nukes !!!

we are human , i am not sure , and there is no waranty for our actions in war time .

lol this isn't the cold war. Nuclear War is simply not a big danger right now.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

then why most of cities bombed (not just industrial cities ) ?

The first major aerial bombardment of civilians was during the Spanish Civil War by the German Condor Legion. Things got steadily worse from then on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

 

[leibowde84]

Hello all

for my opinion the world was many times in edge of THE END ,because some "smart" humans invent the most dangerous weapons in human history!!!

why just Iran and NK , that world focus on , many of countries had WMD weapons , especialy (USA, RUSSIA) ?

whom invented is love humanity ?
whom producing is care about humanity ?
do you think whom stock these weapons care about humanity ?
whom using is would care about humanity ?

Just imagine Turkey (the supporter) of Daesh will cause WW3, so RUSSIA respond badly and NATO respond badly on RUSSIA and go on , go on ...etc


just tell me when and where it's will be used ?

The US has led the movement to destroy as many nuclear weapons and other WMDs as possible. This has been taken to the next level by President Obama. So, this is an unfair stance. The US and the rest of the world have an interest in not allowing more WMDs to be manufactured anywhere. No one is going to use them anyways (unless they are completely insane), so I don't get the purpose of them anyways.

 

[Papoon]

They would be invented by someone sooner or later.

Am glad America had one before USSR did.

USA and Russia were allies in both world wars. The US government and establishment press were claiming that Stalin was a good guy while he was murdering 30 million people over 7 years to create the USSR. It was Walter Cronkite who revealed the truth in the Hearst press, and at the time that news was denounced as sensationalism. 'Conspiracy Theory' as it would now be called. The USSR and USA took turns subjugating Afghanistan. They cooperated in building ISIS (the original name of the International Space Station). The Cold War was ended when the presidents of both countries cooperated - and both presidents were immediately previously heads of the CIA and KGB.
"Curiouser and curiouser"

 

[Papoon]

i disagree with this .

during NAZI won so they were right ?
the right and wong had nothing to do with war result ,especialy when it's come to civilians casuatlies .





I think if Turkey will take down another Russian aircraft , the Russians will strike Turkey by missiles .







maybe you ignore that some movies tell about history (facts), and about real story happened , it's not comedy or romance all time
but war is war , and movies is movies

so just because both (Hiroshima and Nagasaki ) were industrail cities was bombed , do you had historic reference of the motivation of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?

then why most of cities bombed (not just industrial cities ) ?

The USA firebombed other Japanese cities prior to the atomic bombings, and the death toll from those war crimes exceeded the death toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Also - we can expect another Cold War now. There will be a pretext such as you have suggested.

It is called ' good cop and bad cop'.

Red white and blue ....

 

[Papoon]

The first major aerial bombardment of civilians was during the Spanish Civil War by the German Condor Legion. Things got steadily worse from then on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

Footnote - American citizens who were members of the International Antifascist League during that war were classified by US intelligence as 'Premature Anti Fascists'.

 

[columbus]

The US has led the movement to destroy as many nuclear weapons and other WMDs as possible.

This is rather misleading.
The USA has worked to reduce stockpiles of old fashioned ICBM nuclear weapons. But we are still on the cutting edge of new forms of weapons tech. Drones are another game changer and we are largely responsible for them.
And here's what really scares me. My nephew in law works in the nanotechnology dept of a big university. Even the vague description that I understand about what is possible is terrifying, when I consider the weaponizing of the concept.
Tom

 

[Papoon]

However it is achieved, there will be a huge reduction in human population soon. Given that the ultimate antibiotic resistant bacteria has just emerged in China, conventional weapons may not be required.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

So far, no humans have used nukes. Only a dolphin twice in WW2.

 

[leibowde84]

This is rather misleading.
The USA has worked to reduce stockpiles of old fashioned ICBM nuclear weapons. But we are still on the cutting edge of new forms of weapons tech. Drones are another game changer and we are largely responsible for them.
And here's what really scares me. My nephew in law works in the nanotechnology dept of a big university. Even the vague description that I understand about what is possible is terrifying, when I consider the weaponizing of the concept.
Tom

His claim was specifically about nuclear weapons.

 

[David1967]

I know that

what you think , if NATO and RUSSIA start a war because of stupidity of Turkey leaders

Actually, I am very concerned with what is happening between Russia and Turkey. It has potential to expand into a very bad situation for all of us. Hopefully they can come to a peaceful resolution.

 

[David1967]

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Soviet submarines had been authorised to deploy nuclear weapons, the choice lay with individual commanders.

It was only one individual, Vasili Arkhipov, refusing to ratify the decision of 2 other commanders to fire a nuke that prevented a nuclear war.


Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov (Russian: Василий Александрович Архипов) (30 January 1926 – 19 August 1998) was a Soviet Navyofficer who prevented a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Only Arkhipov, as flotilla commander and second-in-command of the nuclear-weaponized submarine B-59, refused to authorize the captain's use of nuclear torpedos against the United States Navy, a decision requiring the agreement of all three senior officers aboard. In 2002 Thomas Blanton, who was then director of the National Security Archive, said that "a guy called Vasili Arkhipov saved the world".[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov#K-19_accident



Nukes will be used sooner or later. I just hope it is later...

Unfortunately you are probably right...but I hope to God your wrong.

 

[David1967]

Yup. That's what will happen sooner or later. And that's because our brains are so much superior to the other great apes.

Guess it depends on how loosely we define 'superior'.

 

[David1967]

I am just curious if Japan in WW2 had this weapon , did USA dare to attack Japan by it ?

If Japan got it first you can be sure they would have used it. Both Japan and Germany were trying to develop an atomic bomb. The USA just beat them to it. And Hitler would certainly have used it.

 

[Sunstone]

what do you think about who invented nuclear weapon, is good person or evil person ?

Nuclear weapons were invented by a huge group of people, many with idealistic motives, and many out of fear the Nazis would get them first. Not to mention other, perhaps lesser, motives.

 

[David1967]

Thanks for the history lesson. And that guy is a hero!

If he hadn't refused, we may not be having this conversation.