Is Peace on Earth Really God's Goal????

[Hockeycowboy]

Have I replied to this? I can't remember..... I've been gone awhile. Hope youve been well.

And you cannot point to anything in the book itself as a proof of what the ultimate plans of an omnipotent omniscient being are.

Unless He informs us. Does he? Yes!
Here's a passage 'from the book': Isaiah 45:18 tells us what God wants for the Earth. (It's not destruction, as taught in some churches.) 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that God wants us to listen to him. (As would any loving parent, who's wiser than his children.)

Take care.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I agree many people have been hurt by "Christianity" (meaning so-called Christianity) just as Jesus' recorded words at Matthew chapter 7 shows. So to me, that does Not mean genuine 1st-centuryChristianity teachings, but what is often called as "Christendom". Christendom often teaches church traditions, or church customs, outside of Scripture but just taught as being Scripture. So, that does Not make the 1st-century teachings as recorded in Scripture as wrong but makes Christendom wrong. (Christendom to me fits the category of Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30).
My understanding is we need to go back to 1st-century teachings as the Higher Level that is needed because church teachings outside of Scripture is what has hurt many. Those customs or traditions are now so deeply embedded in people's minds and is so hard to erase because people think those 'wrong customs' are found in the Bible.

I think Jesus can agree with you about 'intelligence wins in the end', because Jesus taught, Not Might, but that humble meek people will inherit the Earth. Intelligence (includes educated in Jesus' words) shows 'Might' would Not be needed by mankind. When mankind becomes corrupted to the point that those who would bring ruin (literal and moral) to Earth, then Jesus (Not mankind) will being to ruin those ruining the Earth. Good times are coming!

And, I might add, meek means teachable, one who is willing to learn, I.e., get educated.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

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Hi Bird

I believe it is as God has stated in His Inspired Written Word to mankind, the Bible.
Initially there was peace. Peace was lost. Peace will be regained.

There will forevermore be the record of how peace was lost, and thru what means God was able to bring rebellious mankind back to the completion of His Original Purpose for mankind and the earth.
And further rebellions will be instantly dealt with, no more dragging things out, and suffering of others, if one chooses to rebel.


peace

Hello!
You know, this reminds me of something John Milton wrote.... What was that? (Hehe). Some of the great thinkers of the past, like Milton, Newton, etc., had a Biblical understanding close to the Truth!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

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Hi Bird
I can understand and agree with you, that IF, (as some people blame God for all sorts of things), The Creator was actually guilty of such, then I could not 'go along' with it, either.
The God of the Bible that I have come to know, is not as many so-called 'Christian' denominations present him to be. I also left 'churches' who taught such atrocities as a literal 'hell fire', or place of everlasting torture to humans.
couple of things wrong with that teaching right up front: When people die, they cannot feel anything. They are DEAD. If they took time to look in the Bible at Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, an Psalms 146:3-4, among other scriptures, they would find that is not at all possible.
Second,Almighty God is a God of Love. Love being his dominant quality, so much so that he even allowed the kind of people who blame God for such atrocities, to actually murder His only begotten Son, in order to open the door to a resurrection for all mankind affected by the sin of Adam, or 'the adamic sin', which causes all of mankind to die.

God's law is perfect. He Himself does not go outside of the Law of the Universe, so He set about making a way to save mankind at great distress to Himself. He sets the standard of perfection, which in the imperfect sinful state, mankind cannot uphold perfectly. But thru the merits of the blood sacrifice for sin of His perfect, sinless human son, Jesus, the 'ransom' could be paid.

God did not make Adam sin. Adam was not deceived, Adam sinned purposely out of his own desire to do so. If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Adam and the Tempter, Satan, who talked Adam into rebelling against God's Perfect law.
Be thankful to God Almighty and Jesus, His only begotten son, suffered in order to correct in time, the great harm done to all of mankind by Adam at the urging of Satan. Adam could have told Satan to stuff it, and not sinned. But he obviously, did not. He was a deliberately selfish egotistical person who did not appreciate the life God had given to him. Satan has always been out for world domination, he got jealous because God intended for Jesus to rule over the world we live in, because he, Satan, wanted that for himself. Look at the history of oppressive governments attempting to bring a 'one world government' under their control, as recently as Hitler, et. al. all such ones will soon face the fulfillment of Daniel 2:44.

Those who blame God are the same ones who back oppressive governments and those who want to 'rule the world' and get rid of any opposition by anyone who believes in and does their best to obey the Life-Giver, who will not forevermore allow His Name and reputation to be dragged thru the mud with such false notions as you speak to. He has set a time limit for Satan to try to prove his challenge made to God that he could rule over mankind better than God can..Unfortunately, many church leaders do teach and promote the lies you speak to, and foster the attitudes and hate for the God of the Bible, the Creator and Life Giver, sadly.

I pray that you find the answers you seek.

peace

What a wonderful reply!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Peace can only be realized within in the here and now. If souls are waiting for God to give it to them, they will never realize it, for it does not come from outside. Seek and you will find, it is not an easy path as the external world is always in a state of flux and so one needs to go within and yet still be in the world, but not of it.

 

[Enoch07]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

Peace on earth (in flesh bodies) or Utopia, is a secular goal. Not a Christian or God's goal. Our peace is obtained in the afterlife. Sure we are to help people and try to make the world a better place in general, but Utopia is not our goal.

 

[Bird123]

since God is peace he would want that. I think challenges can exist in a peaceful environment. Afterall God is perfect of that which the world cannot ever reach.

Above all else isn't God really LOVE??? There are people who do not choose peace. How can they really understand their choices if all they have returned is peace?? It isn't Love to shelter kids from understanding just to allow them peace. Peace will come in time after all the lessons are learned.

 

[Bird123]

Peace on earth (in flesh bodies) or Utopia, is a secular goal. Not a Christian or God's goal. Our peace is obtained in the afterlife. Sure we are to help people and try to make the world a better place in general, but Utopia is not our goal.

I would say most people want peace and to have it made. As I see it, the promise of Heaven in the afterlife is a key recruitment for many religions. People do want it. On the other hand, peace and Utopia will only happen for those who have learned and grown to the point where Unconditional Love is the only viable choice. This will take many lifetimes of learning.

 

[Enoch07]

I would say most people want peace and to have it made. As I see it, the promise of Heaven in the afterlife is a key recruitment for many religions. People do want it. On the other hand, peace and Utopia will only happen for those who have learned and grown to the point where Unconditional Love is the only viable choice. This will take many lifetimes of learning.

It is a pipe dream that can never be fulfilled so long as we are in flesh bodies. There will always be rebels. There will always be the ones that reject the status quo. These people will always be a nuisance. Utopia on earth in flesh bodies is impossible to achieve.

 

[Bird123]

It is a pipe dream that can never be fulfilled so long as we are in flesh bodies. There will always be rebels. There will always be the ones that reject the status quo. These people will always be a nuisance. Utopia on earth in flesh bodies is impossible to achieve.

Your vision is limited. Sure, when one learns then advances and moves on, a new student in need of education arrives. Still, as a whole, the system advances. How was it in caveman days? Pretty savage. Things are slowly moving forward. It's just going to take time.

 

[Enoch07]

Your vision is limited. Sure, when one learns then advances and moves on, a new student in need of education arrives. Still, as a whole, the system advances. How was it in caveman days? Pretty savage. Things are slowly moving forward. It's just going to take time.

We plateaued out in the late 90"s/early 00's. And have now begun to regress, as racial divides have widened, segregation is now called for, political violence is "justified".

 

[Shia Islam]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

Education is part of the story..

The masses need to be educated..

However, there are the few, or the small group, whose problem is not the lack of education, but their evil nature, where they are after their selfish desire of controlling and owning everything!

So the masses need to educated, in order to live in peace with one another, and also in order to unite to stop the evil of the few who are of devil nature!

 

[Milton Platt]

Have I replied to this? I can't remember..... I've been gone awhile. Hope youve been well.



Unless He informs us. Does he? Yes!
Here's a passage 'from the book': Isaiah 45:18 tells us what God wants for the Earth. (It's not destruction, as taught in some churches.) 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that God wants us to listen to him. (As would any loving parent, who's wiser than his children.)

Take care.

That is proof that someone long ago wrote something in a book, and nothing more.

 

[Bird123]

We plateaued out in the late 90"s/early 00's. And have now begun to regress, as racial divides have widened, segregation is now called for, political violence is "justified".

Have you asked the majority of people that they feel this way or do you depend on the news as the total source of reality. A case in point: USA elected a black president not too long ago by a landslide. Doesn't sound like a racial problem there.

Sure, things will happen, however the silent majority will keep it moving forward. Contrary to what some believe, there are lots of Great people in the USA of many races and cultures. That is not going to change. It's up to all of us good people to look out for each other and point others in the right direction.

Take a few steps back and see the Big picture.

 

[Bird123]

Education is part of the story..

The masses need to be educated..

However, there are the few, or the small group, whose problem is not the lack of education, but their evil nature, where they are after their selfish desire of controlling and owning everything!

So the masses need to educated, in order to live in peace with one another, and also in order to unite to stop the evil of the few who are of devil nature!

To label people as evil is just an excuse to hate.

AS I see it,God returns our actions back to us in order that we might understand what our actions really mean. When one truly understands all sides, Intelligence will make the best choices. Further, when God returns our actions, God is also teaching everyone to Love Unconditionally, after all Unconditional Love is what everyone wants returning to them. There is Great Genius in God's system. Unlike mankind and many of mankind's choices, hate in not involved.

AS I see it, in order to reach a Higher Level like God, one must purge all hate along with so many of the petty things mankind holds dear like judging, condemning, controlling, coercing and such things like intimidating. When one lets these lower things go, Life gets Better.

 

[Enoch07]

Have you asked the majority of people that they feel this way or do you depend on the news as the total source of reality. A case in point: USA elected a black president not too long ago by a landslide. Doesn't sound like a racial problem there.

Sure, things will happen, however the silent majority will keep it moving forward. Contrary to what some believe, there are lots of Great people in the USA of many races and cultures. That is not going to change. It's up to all of us good people to look out for each other and point others in the right direction.

Take a few steps back and see the Big picture.

Yeah and the racial divide has widened since Obama was elected. What I hoped would unify us in his election, which was the only positive value I saw in him because his policies was atrocious, actually only divided us further.

I can't find the article now, I wish I had archived it, but a month or so ago I read an article about a conspiracy theory that white supremacist wanted Obama to be elected to lure liberals into a false sense of progress or some crap. The fact that anyone on the left would conceive this idea in the first place shows the regressive mentality that has taken hold of late.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Peace on earth (in flesh bodies) or Utopia, is a secular goal. Not a Christian or God's goal. Our peace is obtained in the afterlife.

Where do you come up with this? What Scriptures back this view?
I can present passages that show otherwise: For example, Isaiah 45:18 (Earth was "formed to be inhabited); Isaiah 11:6-9 (peace even between the animals and men, on "the Earth); Isaiah 9:6-7 ("nations" in heaven? No, here on Earth); Revelation 21:3-4 (God's tent is "with mankind.")

Take care,

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Where do you come up with this? What Scriptures back this view?
I can present passages that show otherwise: For example, Isaiah 45:18 (Earth was "formed to be inhabited); Isaiah 11:6-9 (peace even between the animals and men, on "the Earth); Isaiah 9:6-7 ("nations" in heaven? No, here on Earth); Revelation 21:3-4 (God's tent is "with mankind.")

Take care,

Heaven is the goal, unless you can leave your body in spirit form, you will never realize it. That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit, unless you are born of spirit, you will never realize the goal.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Heaven is the goal, unless you can leave your body in spirit form, you will never realize it. That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit, unless you are born of spirit, you will never realize the goal.

And your Scriptures to back your belief are.....?
At Matthew 6:9-10, Jesus prayed for God's will to be done where? Psalms 115:16 says the Earth was given to men. This is our home. Adam & Eve were put here, to live forever...if they had obeyed, they would never have died!

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This is still God's will, to have this Earth populated by a righteous society of people. With all badness gone! Psalms 37:10-11; Psalms 37:29.

 

[Father]

If you mean the Abrahamic God. If the Death of everyone and the absence of life is peace than sure.