Is Peace on Earth Really God's Goal????

[URAVIP2ME]

As I see it, Lucifer does not exist and mankind has never fallen. Mankind is crawling ever so slowly forward toward intelligence.

Crawling slowly from atomic energy to atomic bomb.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Makes sense, but if you're speaking from an Abrahamic perspective, that would mean that both the fall of Lucifer and the fall of man were all an intended part of his plan.

But, No one forced or persecuted Lucifer (aka Satan). Satan simply failed in showing love.
No one forced Adam to break the Law.
Adam and Eve would have, and could have, lived forever in perfect health on Earth if they did Not break God's Law.
It was Satan and Adam who threw a monkey wrench into God's purpose for humans to live forever on Earth.
By God giving the first prophecy at Genesis 3:15 shows God did Not intend Satan and Adam to ruin His purpose, but that God would supply a promised ' seed ' (offspring) to balance the scales of justice for us so humble meek people will inherit the Earth as Jesus' promised us.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The most delusional people I know believe that God has, or even needs, a goal (or plan, for that matter).

To me, Un-delusional people believe God has a 'purpose' for Earth according to Genesis 1:28
God's 'purpose' is that all of mankind be descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
God did Not abandon His 'purpose' for Earth because God provided Jesus to balance the scales of justice for us.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I dont see it. We humans are being egotistical to say god cares about us and no other person in the galaxy. As if god is only limited to people on earth.

Just out of curiosity.. what other people, are you referring to some variety of the 'ancient alien' theory?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Just out of curiosity.. what other people, are you referring to some variety of the 'ancient alien' theory?

My post didn't say anything about ancient aliens and any context there are aliens. The point is that humans are egotistic and specifically in abrahamic god-views, god created the heavens and the earth and everything is made for humanity as if god choose us out of any other person in the galaxy.

Point: The way we interpret god reflects our egos.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

My post didn't say anything about ancient aliens and any context there are aliens. The point is that humans are egotistic and specifically in abrahamic god-views, god created the heavens and the earth and everything is made for humanity as if god choose us out of any other person in the galaxy.

Point: The way we interpret god reflects our egos.

What other people in the galaxy? If you are not an ancient alienist, then I'm not aware of any evidence for them, are you?

We have an ear on the entire galaxy and have found nothing but 'the great silence'. We have discovered that Earth is an extremely special planet and humanity- the only sentient species in millions on that planet, is the only means we know of by which the universe can experience itself from within...

If it is 'egotistical' to recognize this privileged position, what is it to assume we are not the primary intended beneficiaries of creation? An insecurity complex?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What other people in the galaxy? If you are not an ancient alienist, then I'm not aware of any evidence for them, are you?

We have an ear on the entire galaxy and have found nothing but 'the great silence'. We have discovered that Earth is an extremely special planet and humanity- the only sentient species in millions on that planet, is the only means we know of by which the universe can experience itself from within...

If it is 'egotistical' to recognize this privileged position, what is it to assume we are not the primary intended beneficiaries of creation? An insecurity complex?

Did you get the point?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Did you get the point?

I think so; you believe in extra terrestrials?

That's okay we all believe in something, do you have any personal UFO experiences?

 

[Father Heathen]

But, No one forced or persecuted Lucifer (aka Satan). Satan simply failed in showing love.
No one forced Adam to break the Law.
Adam and Eve would have, and could have, lived forever in perfect health on Earth if they did Not break God's Law.
It was Satan and Adam who threw a monkey wrench into God's purpose for humans to live forever on Earth.
By God giving the first prophecy at Genesis 3:15 shows God did Not intend Satan and Adam to ruin His purpose, but that God would supply a promised ' seed ' (offspring) to balance the scales of justice for us so humble meek people will inherit the Earth as Jesus' promised us.

So sticking to the OP's topic, you're saying that learning and growing from facing and overcoming trials and tribulations is not nor was ever a part of "god's plan"?

 

[Bird123]

Eh. I never saw it that way. When I see a tree, that's what I see. It's sacred in and of itself and doesn't remind me or reflect anyone or anything that other people say created it. I don't respect my parents because they created me. I respect them because one of them chose to take care of me. That choice and freedom to do so is what I value not the role of the person or the authority of him or her. I can careless about god. I never had an intimate connection with him nor had a feeling there is something greater.

But if what I see is a reflection of him, I would rather respect the creation than the creator because at least I know and experience the sacredness of creation not try and have faith that it is a reflection of someone I haven't met.

That's me, though. I don't know how to have too many god conversations. I don't know what a god is, really.

I would say you know but you don't know that you know.

Language is a funny thing. I like your concept of a Reflection of God.

You might not realize this but I never wanted you to have faith in anything. I wanted you to merely see what is. The rest always speaks for itself.

 

[Bird123]

Odin's goal: Enlightenment for all who wish to become enlightened.

Perhaps there comes a point in time where each and everyone will wish to become Enlightened. At some point, don't we all need to know????

 

[Repox]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

Maybe God doesn't really love and cherish humans. It is easy to make up a religion with so much of what people expect from God, but religion may be fantasy.

 

[Bird123]

I believe God wants us to have peace, however we should desire peace ourselves regardless.

Do you want there to be peace?

Oh yes, we all want Peace, including myself. A truly intelligent person will value Peace over those petty things that prevent Peace today. So many have not learned the lessons for the world to have Peace.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I would say you know but you don't know that you know.

Language is a funny thing. I like your concept of a Reflection of God.

You might not realize this but I never wanted you to have faith in anything. I wanted you to merely see what is. The rest always speaks for itself.

I guess if I knew what a god is and how it can be a being of some type, than it could be a different language of expressing the same thing.

Why can't a tree be sacred in and of itself? I mean, I live among christians in my immediate, local, environment, and all around environment so the word god is common phrase. But without the word itself, why does a tree need to reflect anything for it to be sacred rather than it being sacred in and of itself?

 

[Bird123]

First of all, I think we are living in the last days of badness on Earth as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 describing
the self-centered, selfish, distorted form of love the world displays which is in sharp contrast to the definition of godly love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6.
Godly love is what is being taught about in connection to Matthew 24:14 global proclaiming about the good news about God's kingdom government. The ' thy kingdom come ' that Jesus asked us to pray for to come.

God's arrangement to change the world for the better is to get rid of the wickedness on Earth - Psalms 92:7.
Just as a person who owns a beautiful house which becomes infested with rodents would Not get rid of his beautiful house but call in an exterminator. Rather than calling in an exterminator against the wicked, the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked according to Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.
So, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
So, yes God's goal is as Jesus' promised us that the humble meek will inherit the Earth.

The question remains. Is your God so weak that He must resort to executing His wicked children???? Would not a God of a Higher Level choose to educate His children to the point of really understanding their actions and choices? The results would be that evil would no longer be a viable choice?

Too often, mankind attempts to destroy what is not easily fixed. Are we to see our view of God as ourselves?? I think not. God has to have Greater Wisdom than executing the problems.

 

[Bird123]

Maybe God doesn't really love and cherish humans. It is easy to make up a religion with so much of what people expect from God, but religion may be fantasy.

It's easy to rely on Beliefs when all the facts are not known. You are right. So much of religion is about Beliefs and ideas of what people want God to be. Beliefs will never be all true.

Perhaps, the only true way to know it to look around at God's actions and also see what actually is.

Let's take a quick look at some of the obvious things. We live in a world where people flourish. The rest of our solar system is barren. If God did not care, we could all be on the edge of survival constantly.

We see God allows our free speak and free choice. I think allowing freedom is a sign of caring.

God doesn't just give us advanced knowledge. It must be discovered. Doesn't that show that God cares enough not to allow our capabilities grow beyond our wisdom?

God supplies this world with Great Diversity. Doesn't this show that God cares enough to give us a larger view than any one person could have? Supplying a broad knowledge base is caring.

I think there are examples of God caring all around us. God knows pain is important in letting us know something is wrong yet God places limits. When there is too much pain, the body goes into shock. If God did not care, why place the limit on pain?

The causal nature of the universe allows learning through the results of our actions, and choices . Isn't it caring to place different levels of students together, each with different knowledge so that the answers, knowledge and wisdom will be discovered through the interaction?

As I see it, the answers are all around us staring us in the face. Put the pieces together and the picture will become clear.

 

[Bird123]

I guess if I knew what a god is and how it can be a being of some type, than it could be a different language of expressing the same thing.

Why can't a tree be sacred in and of itself? I mean, I live among christians in my immediate, local, environment, and all around environment so the word god is common phrase. But without the word itself, why does a tree need to reflect anything for it to be sacred rather than it being sacred in and of itself?

As I see it, you already know God. When you bump into God again, you won't need language. You will already know who you all are.

Sure a tree can be sacred. On the other hand, don't creations always reflect the Creator? Perhaps this is not a need but just a fact. Example: that car of mine that keeps breaking down reflects the car company and the people who made it. It might be sacred but when it strands me on the side of the road, it tends to loose it's luster.

As I see it, the answers are all around us well within our reach. The rest is up to us.

Oh, the adversity of that car always breaking down has advanced my knowledge in car repair. I'm not quite as helpless as I once was. Adversity does breed invention.

 

[Bird123]

Crawling slowly from atomic energy to atomic bomb.[/QU

In time, fusion, just like what our sun does, will supply the clean energy needs of the world. Is carbon monoxide from fossil fuels which kills through health problems, really better?

Our wisdom will advance with our capabilities. We are meant to survive. Yes, mankind has made an atomic bomb, however that does not mean we have to use it. Who knows? There might even come a day when a handy atomic bomb might serve a constructive purpose.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.

As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.

Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

Yes, more or less, the biblical peace that is spoken of is not of this earth, but heaven.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

As I see it, you already know God. When you bump into God again, you won't need language. You will already know who you all are.

That's what many christians tell me. Very optimistic but not very understanding that not everyone needs a god to survive. I don't remember any christian who actually understood me. Though only JW wanted to, really. Nothing negative just interesting observation.

Sure a tree can be sacred. On the other hand, don't creations always reflect the Creator? Perhaps this is not a need but just a fact. Example: that car of mine that keeps breaking down reflects the car company and the people who made it. It might be sacred but when it strands me on the side of the road, it tends to loose it's luster.

No. We differ in that regards. My lap top is sacred but only because I can use it for other things than RF that's more productive-for work and education. I don't care about the company who makes it. It doesn't reflect the company. A lap top does the same thing regardless the company or it wouldn't be called a lap top.

As I see it, the answers are all around us well within our reach. The rest is up to us.

Why are there questions, though? Take life as it is without asking questions that need answers.

Oh, the adversity of that car always breaking down has advanced my knowledge in car repair. I'm not quite as helpless as I once was. Adversity does breed invention.

I can see that.