Is Peace on Earth Really God's Goal????

[arthra]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.
As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.
Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned. What do you think??

Well I agree that peace will come after lessons are learned... but not "all lessons" as you've written, because after a political peace is achieved there will be further lessons to be learned... there will be more work to be done to achieve a united world commonwealth.... a world civilization in which gender equality will be achieved.. racial prejudice will be ended and the extremes of wealth and poverty will end... We'll also need a world currency and much more. But we do have the beginnings of conceptualizing the oneness of humanity and our world and the medium of the internet I believe is the beginning... WE can communicate instantly with each other over vast distances and have instant coverage of events affected our world in ways we did not have before.

 

[MJFlores]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.

As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.

Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

Ephesians 1:10 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

God’s goal was to finish his plan when the right time came. He planned that all things in heaven and on earth be joined together with Christ as the head.

How will God make this goal into fruition?

Acts 17:31 New International Version (NIV)

For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

That man is the Lord Jesus Christ. How will Christ judge the world?

Matthew 25:32-33 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Needless to say, we all know the outcome.

I pray that the God of peace will give you every good thing you need so that you can do what he wants. God is the one who raised from death our Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of his sheep. He raised him because Jesus sacrificed his blood to begin the new agreement that never ends. I pray that God will work through Jesus Christ to do the things in us that please him. To him be glory forever. Amen. Hebrews 13:20-21

 

[BSM1]

Do you file everything you do not understand as delusional?

OK, say I build a car. Before the car is even made, there is a plan or goal for my creation. The complex systems are brought together to bring results toward a goal. In this case. I will be able to travel much easier than walking.

If you take a caveman, he might never have a clue seeing the car unless it is driving down the road. Still, it will take much learning before the caveman truly understands. Perhaps, the caveman's first step to understanding will be to ask questions. How does it go? Why does it work? Why was it built this way? Since the car works so well, everything must add up.

As I see it, in this time-based causal universe, God's actions can be seen. Just like the caveman, our path to understanding is to figure out answers to the same questions. Why is it done this way? How does it work? What is the reason?

As it has always been, true Discovery takes work. Aren't the Real answers Staring us all in the face????

So let me get this straight, you believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present, infallible Creator has to have a plan of action to achieve and/or exist? Are you picturing God sitting at his desk with pencils, calculators, and advanced CAD programs muttering, "If the space-time continuum is right and it doesn't rain next Tuesday I think I'll plan on letting Fred and Ethel in Des Moines have a baby."

 

[Segev Moran]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace.

Makes sense.

They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.

I Don't see it either. I do see, however, that most people will like a world based on what they find the best for them to live proper lives.
Obviously, war is not the way to achieve such life (unfortunately, for some it is)
I Don't think this derives for any God's will, rather from people own understanding about how humans can survive the most.

As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.

So does any other event in your life.
what is it that god tries to educate us about?

Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people.

Agree.

On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children.

His goal is the education or that humans will be educated?

Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

Or the destruction of the human race

What do you think??

When would you say such an education ends?

 

[Bird123]

Yes, more or less, the biblical peace that is spoken of is not of this earth, but heaven.

As I see it, mankind will evolve into having World Peace after having acquired greater Wisdom and Learning many many Lessons.

 

[Bird123]

That's what many christians tell me. Very optimistic but not very understanding that not everyone needs a god to survive. I don't remember any christian who actually understood me. Though only JW wanted to, really. Nothing negative just interesting observation.



No. We differ in that regards. My lap top is sacred but only because I can use it for other things than RF that's more productive-for work and education. I don't care about the company who makes it. It doesn't reflect the company. A lap top does the same thing regardless the company or it wouldn't be called a lap top.



Why are there questions, though? Take life as it is without asking questions that need answers.



I can see that.

Can one really not have questions in life? Is Life really all about being content and having it made? Isn't life about Learning, Growing, and Interacting? Just like a shark must keep swimming, can we ever stop moving forward and survive? I think not for then it would be time for a change.

 

[Skwim]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.

Neither do I. A guy who creates evil

Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
​

can't be expecting peace.

Personally, I think he created the whole shebang for personal entertainment.

Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God was bored so created the heavens and the earth.
​

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[Unveiled Artist]

Can one really not have questions in life? Is Life really all about being content and having it made? Isn't life about Learning, Growing, and Interacting? Just like a shark must keep swimming, can we ever stop moving forward and survive? I think not for then it would be time for a change.

You can have philosophical and reflective questions, of course. I've never asked the "what is my purpose?" question and "is there a god?" type of thing. I wasn't raised to ask questions about my existence and place in the universe so I never thought about it really. Should I? It would probably give me a headache given I'm asking for questions that does not do anything in the scheme of things.

Of course you can learn from life. I just don't find it productive for me to question about god. It's not part of my interest when learning about myself and life in general. But it's a good topic of study-culture, psychology, theology, etc. But there is a difference between that and god.

In general, it works for some people while it doesn't work for others. Learning is beautiful. Not everyone needs god.

 

[Bird123]

So let me get this straight, you believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present, infallible Creator has to have a plan of action to achieve and/or exist? Are you picturing God sitting at his desk with pencils, calculators, and advanced CAD programs muttering, "If the space-time continuum is right and it doesn't rain next Tuesday I think I'll plan on letting Fred and Ethel in Des Moines have a baby."

Believe is not the word. As for what God is like, as I see it, your view is that of an ant who can not see beyond the anthill. Intelligence exists far beyond what you can even imagine or project.

I see the Wisdom in Discovery. You are well capable of Discovering more than you know without me acting like a religion and serving it up on a plate for you to choose whether you want to believe or not. Those who Discover no longer have to rely on that Belief. Think about that.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

As I see it, mankind will evolve into having World Peace after having acquired greater Wisdom and Learning many many Lessons.

Evolution will see human souls realize heaven, that which is born of flesh is flesh, only souls born of the spirit will realize heaven. There are always new souls being born as planetary human reproduction is maintained, so the process goes on.

 

[Bird123]

Makes sense.

I Don't see it either. I do see, however, that most people will like a world based on what they find the best for them to live proper lives.
Obviously, war is not the way to achieve such life (unfortunately, for some it is)
I Don't think this derives for any God's will, rather from people own understanding about how humans can survive the most.

So does any other event in your life.
what is it that god tries to educate us about?

Agree.

His goal is the education or that humans will be educated?

Or the destruction of the human race

When would you say such an education ends?

Who can say how long it takes to learn it all? Maybe it's a good thing there really are no limits on the amount of time or lives for the eternal.

 

[Bird123]

Neither do I. A guy who creates evil

Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
​

can't be expecting peace.

Personally, I think he created the whole shebang for personal entertainment.

Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God was bored so created the heavens and the earth.
​

.

Surely, a Being of a Higher Level would not use anyone just for entertainment. On the other hand, I bet there are many entertaining moments.

 

[Bird123]

Well I agree that peace will come after lessons are learned... but not "all lessons" as you've written, because after a political peace is achieved there will be further lessons to be learned... there will be more work to be done to achieve a united world commonwealth.... a world civilization in which gender equality will be achieved.. racial prejudice will be ended and the extremes of wealth and poverty will end... We'll also need a world currency and much more. But we do have the beginnings of conceptualizing the oneness of humanity and our world and the medium of the internet I believe is the beginning... WE can communicate instantly with each other over vast distances and have instant coverage of events affected our world in ways we did not have before.

Yes, you can see. We are slowly walking toward that future.

 

[Skwim]

Surely, a Being of a Higher Level would not use anyone just for entertainment. On the other hand, I bet there are many entertaining moments.

Hey, I'm open to ideas as to why god created such a &%$&^%# world.

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[Bird123]

Ephesians 1:10 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

God’s goal was to finish his plan when the right time came. He planned that all things in heaven and on earth be joined together with Christ as the head.

How will God make this goal into fruition?

Acts 17:31 New International Version (NIV)

For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

That man is the Lord Jesus Christ. How will Christ judge the world?

Matthew 25:32-33 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Needless to say, we all know the outcome.

I pray that the God of peace will give you every good thing you need so that you can do what he wants. God is the one who raised from death our Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of his sheep. He raised him because Jesus sacrificed his blood to begin the new agreement that never ends. I pray that God will work through Jesus Christ to do the things in us that please him. To him be glory forever. Amen. Hebrews 13:20-21

Poof, the problem is solved might make good stories but rarely solves anything. For people to exist peacefully in a heavenly setting, they will need to understand much more than they do. World War 3 among all those good believers would not be a smart move for Heaven of any kind.

If people are educated through many lives to the point of Real Knowledge and Understanding, all the kiddies would make it to Heaven and there would be Peace. There really is no need to hate those who make bad choices when they can be taught to Understand.

Well, that's the way I see it. If I can think of a better way than simply frying the kiddies, I'm sure God already has it figured out.

 

[Bird123]

Evolution will see human souls realize heaven, that which is born of flesh is flesh, only souls born of the spirit will realize heaven. There are always new souls being born as planetary human reproduction is maintained, so the process goes on.

If God is at a Higher Level and has Great Intelligence, God has to fix the kiddies rather than Frying them. Is it really Intelligent to do it any other way?? I think not!

 

[Bird123]

Hey, I'm open to ideas as to why god created such a &%$&^%# world.

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How about this: This is how I see it. God created us all because God knows what every parent knows. Kids make life Grand. This time-based causal universe is perfect for the educational process. Our choices create results by which we learn.

So what do you do? This is where the great intelligence comes in. You create a world in this causal universe and you place kiddies at different levels of knowledge, understanding, and views to learn from each other through the interaction. You see, with the Ego involved, it's not enough to tell kiddies what to do. By Living the lessons through their own free choices, learning is at the maximum.

Since everything can not be learned in one mere lifetime, there are no limits to our lifetimes. By returning our actions back, we experience all sides. Having lived all sides, intelligence will make the right choices. There is an unseen side to this. Since our good choices also return, it will teach us all to Love Unconditionally. After all, that is what everyone wants to return to us.

Having lived enough lessons and acquired Great Knowledge and Wisdom which includes loving unconditionally, could not a real Heaven exist?

Of course, eternity has purpose. If one ever reaches a point of knowing it all, there is still more to do. One can teach.

This world we live in is a Masterpiece. The dynamics of the interactions of so many people are amazing. There is another piece of the puzzle. As I see it, there are souls who volunteer to go through great adversity in order that someone else learns. They are all around us. I bet you might even know a few.

Well, this very general view is how I see it. There is no hate, no judging, no condemning and you won't have to fry any kids. No one gets left behind. In the end, you have kids with Great Knowledge and Wisdom through their own free choices. If that is not enough, they all Love Unconditionally.

It's easy to look at this world and see a mess, but so much more lives beyond the surface. I see it as truly a Masterpiece.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So sticking to the OP's topic, you're saying that learning and growing from facing and overcoming trials and tribulations is not nor was ever a part of "god's plan"?

God's 'purpose' (plans change) was a beautiful paradisical Earth for righteous mankind.
So, there would be No need, No reason, for righteous society to have to overcome tribulations.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If God is at a Higher Level and has Great Intelligence, God has to fix the kiddies rather than Frying them. Is it really Intelligent to do it any other way?? I think not!

I find that God was always against ' frying kiddies ' according to Jeremiah 32:34-35; 2 Chronicles 28:3

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Evolution will see human souls realize heaven, that which is born of flesh is flesh, only souls born of the spirit will realize heaven. There are always new souls being born as planetary human reproduction is maintained, so the process goes on.

I find the 'process goes on' only until Earth is populated, and Not over populated according to Genesis 1:28.
Mankind was to reproduce, or populate the Earth, and Not over fill, or over populate the Earth.
Jesus chooses some to be resurrected to heaven - Revelation 20:6
The majority of people can be part of the humble meek who will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:10-11.