Is Peace on Earth Really God's Goal????

[osgart]

how can you love evil people unconditionally.

The bottom line is the question are there universal truths that are true for everybody?
if we govern anything we must govern ourselves to bring about peace and prosperity. And perhaps a higher reality.

resorting to violence when peace can be made will destroy humanity.

there are those that create war and those who will prevent it. how will you choose to be?
anyways their is no peace with an evil person. with them anything is permissible and prosperity dies.

so the random generator of people will produce good and evil people in majorities and minorities. And each generation must have laws that deal with this fact .human corruption is a normality that the Constitution is wary of. The fore fathers of america were at least very wise to this fact.

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[URAVIP2ME]

Why do you say the world is over populated?

I did Not say or mean the world is 'over' populated, but that according to Genesis 1:28 we are to populate the Earth, Not over populate or over fill the Earth. Reproduction was to take place only until Earth was populated.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So it's OK to fry the kiddies as long as you warn them, right? I think not. Further, one can attempt to tell someone lessons, however that will never be the same as Living those lessons. There really are no excuses for frying the kiddies. Unconditional Love loves regardless of the other's actions. Are you trying to say God is not Unconditional Love??

I find at Zephaniah 2:3 there are conditions to be met, so yes, there are conditions to be met.
There is No frying, but there is being 'destroyed forever' according to Psalms 92:7 for the wicked.
We are given two (2) choices at 2 Peter 3:9 to either ' repent ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed, Not be fried ).
We are all responsible to 'act responsibly toward God' and His Golden Rule.

 

[MJFlores]

You aren't reading that right. Those sure are conditions, but they aren't the conditions for us to receive God's love. Love is an action, and God DID act, right there before the part you bolded. Those conditions are the ones to receive the result of His love.

I have an alcoholic father-in-law. His life is a mess. But I love him so much that I once paid the entire $40k cost of rehab when he finally agreed to go. But the day after arriving he changed his mind and left. His lack of willingness to take the gift I provided to him doesn't change how much I love him, how much I gave to help him get better, or how much I would give again. But how much he actually got helped was conditional to him believing that rehab was the right thing for him. He failed that condition, which is why he still wakes up each afternoon in a pool of his own urine.

Don't be like him - and I'm not talking about alcohol - bottoms up! (responsibly)
Don't be like him, complaining that his family doesn't love him anymore - that's his interpretation of his children's hesitancy to spend the night while visiting their parents.

I empathize with you.

That is really a difficult situation - my brother has the same problem too.

As for me, I haven't drank or tasted beer, not even a drop, since I joined the Church, last 2010.

Those words are written by Mankind who do not Love Unconditionally. They have not yet learned to do just that.

As I see it, one only has to question to realize God could never be what so many Holy Books claim. Why not? You ask. It is not an Intelligent way to be and as we look around the universe, there is evidence of real Intelligence.

True there are many "holy" books.

Which is credible? relevant? prophetic? the truth?
Which is the power of God for man to attain salvation?

1 Timothy 2:4-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

God wants everyone to be saved and to fully understand the truth. There is only one God, and there is only one way that people can reach God. That way is through Christ Jesus, who as a man gave himself to pay for everyone to be free. This is the message that was given to us at just the right time.

But even non believers and nay Sayers would even believe the basic thoughts in their hearts:

Haruki Murakami - Wikipedia

 

[osgart]

why would God demand this belief and conviction ?

and why would God demand the Bible to be obvious knowledge worth damning unbelievers for not accepting it?

and where is the presence of GOD today?

how do you establish evidence that the Bible is evidence?

I simply see that science tells one that a boat three football fields long has no hope of ever floating. nor two fields long.

 

[osgart]

why does God need to cause this fear of Him?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I did Not say or mean the world is 'over' populated, but that according to Genesis 1:28 we are to populate the Earth, Not over populate or over fill the Earth. Reproduction was to take place only until Earth was populated.

And has the time arrived to stop reproduction according to your understanding?

 

[viole]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

What I think? According to orthodox Christianity, world peace is the last thing that should take place. That would mess the whole prophecy as "revealed" to John to the level of self defeating the creed of the claimer.

That is puzzling. The ones claiming that the end is nigh, are the same people who like to make lots of kids, and try to stop the moral decay that would accelerate that alleged and vindicating end.

Which leads to the only logical solution possible: they do not believe that stuff, either, deep inside.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

I think an omnipotent god wouldn't have any limitations on how he could implement a universe. If peace and love were its goal, suffering wouldn't be necessary.

For those who disagree, I suspect you probably don't understand what "omnipotence" entails.

 

[rusra02]

The true God gives us the answer in the Bible, IMO. Psalm 46:9 promises: " He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth.He breaks the bow and shatters the spear;He burns the military wagons with fire." Jehovah is called "the God of peace."
I believe the wars and other tragedies we suffer are man made, not God's doing.

 

[Segev Moran]

Have you ever really watched people? Their choices and actions speak to volumes of who they are and what they know. As I see it, this method is a Great way to Discover God as well.

How does God fit into this?

OK. Having lived all sides, intelligence always makes the right choices.

I disagree. You can make a very "intelligent" action that results in a very bad outcome.

You can know that you have learned because the problem doesn't come back.

Disagree again,
I think you can learn much more when failing then when succeeding.

When lessons are not learned and problems not solved, don't they just return until they are?

I Think it is very dependent on what it is you try to learn.
Many times i have done wrong thing that ended up with a desired result.
Many times i did right things, that ended up with an undesired result.

Besides that, how can you be sure god wants you to learn how to solve problems?
Maybe god wants you to learn how not to act (for example?)

 

[Bird123]

I find at Zephaniah 2:3 there are conditions to be met, so yes, there are conditions to be met.
There is No frying, but there is being 'destroyed forever' according to Psalms 92:7 for the wicked.
We are given two (2) choices at 2 Peter 3:9 to either ' repent ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed, Not be fried ).
We are all responsible to 'act responsibly toward God' and His Golden Rule.

And you call this God? Where is the Intelligence in those actions? I see only Mankind.

 

[Bird123]

I empathize with you.

That is really a difficult situation - my brother has the same problem too.

As for me, I haven't drank or tasted beer, not even a drop, since I joined the Church, last 2010.




True there are many "holy" books.
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Which is credible? relevant? prophetic? the truth?
Which is the power of God for man to attain salvation?

1 Timothy 2:4-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

God wants everyone to be saved and to fully understand the truth. There is only one God, and there is only one way that people can reach God. That way is through Christ Jesus, who as a man gave himself to pay for everyone to be free. This is the message that was given to us at just the right time.

But even non believers and nay Sayers would even believe the basic thoughts in their hearts:

Haruki Murakami - Wikipedia

I'm not waiting for the world to come to an end. Eternity has purpose. This Life does as well. It is Glorious!! Your religion has corrupted your view. If you value the good things over all else, the world will change before your eyes.

As I see it, if you study God's actions instead of what others tell you to believe, you might grow to really Understand. I think you should throw all the books and beliefs away and start over. As I see it, God's actions are all around you. They can not be altered by mankind. You don't need beliefs.

The conditions you state that are placed to access God are not true. Your Religion has told you this claiming that it comes from God. Further, they teach you to value beliefs above all else and to accept so much as truth.

As I see it, this is no where close to what God is like nor what God is doing with people and this world. I see only mankind in your words.

I think your religion has you in a Box.

 

[Bird123]

What I think? According to orthodox Christianity, world peace is the last thing that should take place. That would mess the whole prophecy as "revealed" to John to the level of self defeating the creed of the claimer.

That is puzzling. The ones claiming that the end is nigh, are the same people who like to make lots of kids, and try to stop the moral decay that would accelerate that alleged and vindicating end.

Which leads to the only logical solution possible: they do not believe that stuff, either, deep inside.

Ciao

- viole

I had not considered that logical contradiction. Yes, I see you are THINKING.

As you well know, religion has many factors,reasons,causes, and problems. Perhaps too much feeling and not enough Thinking is going on.

 

[Bird123]

I think an omnipotent god wouldn't have any limitations on how he could implement a universe. If peace and love were its goal, suffering wouldn't be necessary.

For those who disagree, I suspect you probably don't understand what "omnipotence" entails.

My simple, general answer: How is one to Understand their choices if they do not return?

Suffering for one person might be no more than a Challenge for another. The meshed picture of this world has many many factors and variables

 

[crowfeather]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.
As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.
Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.
What do you think??

If I did any thinking, which I don't, I'd think you were right.
God grants life, by default. What life does with that life is no concern of God's, since God isn't anything that has concerns.
People want world peace because they themselves feel threatened by its lack. They are filled with fear.
Once you are able to dispense with fear, world peace becomes nothing of concern.
Which is why you hear so much about it: people are scared to death. All the time.

 

[Bird123]

How does God fit into this?

I disagree. You can make a very "intelligent" action that results in a very bad outcome.

Disagree again,
I think you can learn much more when failing then when succeeding.

I Think it is very dependent on what it is you try to learn.
Many times i have done wrong thing that ended up with a desired result.
Many times i did right things, that ended up with an undesired result.

Besides that, how can you be sure god wants you to learn how to solve problems?
Maybe god wants you to learn how not to act (for example?)

How does God fit into this? If you can learn about others through their actions, why can't you do the same thing about God?

If an intelligent choice had a bad outcome, was it really an intelligent choice? Perhaps there is a better one.

You are right. Often more is learned through failure. That is part of learning. Has religion corrupted your view into thinking you are never supposed to make a mistake? You will never Understand without mistakes.

Look at this world and it's History. The system is geared toward advancing.

Many people choose not to learn anything until there is a need.

 

[Bird123]

If I did any thinking, which I don't, I'd think you were right.
God grants life, by default. What life does with that life is no concern of God's, since God isn't anything that has concerns.
People want world peace because they themselves feel threatened by its lack. They are filled with fear.
Once you are able to dispense with fear, world peace becomes nothing of concern.
Which is why you hear so much about it: people are scared to death. All the time.

You have a point. How many people actually have peace but have fear from all they hear? Perhaps there is more Real world peace than some realize.

 

[crowfeather]

You have a point. How many people actually have peace but have fear from all they hear? Perhaps there is more Real world peace than some realize.

Indeed. This is the problem with 'globalism'. It conveniently diverts attention away from the utter mess most people are, and makes them look good (so they imagine) because they supposedly care, for everyone, everywhere.
In truth, you get peace by being peaceful, and carrying that peace with you, wherever you go.
Local peace is a big deal. Take care of that, and peace breaks out, everywhere.

 

[MJFlores]

I'm not waiting for the world to come to an end. Eternity has purpose. This Life does as well. It is Glorious!! Your religion has corrupted your view. If you value the good things over all else, the world will change before your eyes.

As I see it, if you study God's actions instead of what others tell you to believe, you might grow to really Understand. I think you should throw all the books and beliefs away and start over. As I see it, God's actions are all around you. They can not be altered by mankind. You don't need beliefs.

The conditions you state that are placed to access God are not true. Your Religion has told you this claiming that it comes from God. Further, they teach you to value beliefs above all else and to accept so much as truth.

As I see it, this is no where close to what God is like nor what God is doing with people and this world. I see only mankind in your words.

I think your religion has you in a Box.

In a box? But if it is going up in heaven, why not?

The verses are not mine, its from the Bible. Will the world end? Yes it would - even scientists are frantically looking up in space for an extinction level event. It has a beginning, then it has an end - nothing created last forever. Not even diamonds which has a melting point of 3,550 degrees Celsius.


2 Peter 3:11-13 New International Version (NIV)

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

and that is the real world peace.