Is premarital sex moral or immoral?

[Spartan]

Jesus refuted things in the OT in Matthew.

Clarified things. And he never changed the moral laws of God. Adultery, theft, idolatry, homosexual sin, etc., remain sins in both the OT and NT.

 

[Spartan]

You should be embarrassed to have posted this drivel.

Go tell your nonsense to somebody who values your folly. When have liberal churches ever warned homosexual sinners and fornicators to repent of their carnal sins or perish (Luke 13:3)? And where is the repentance from the pro-homosexual crowd and their supporters? You just pat them on the backs on their way down to perdition, don't you!?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Clarified things. And he never changed the moral laws of God. Adultery, theft, idolatry, homosexual sin, etc., remain sins in both the OT and NT.

... but not slavery or marital rape.

 

[Spartan]

... but not slavery or marital rape.

What part of Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" do you think approves of either?

Anyone with any common sense would understand what Jesus was trying to tell people.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Go tell your nonsense to somebody who values your folly. When have liberal churches ever warned homosexual sinners and fornicators to repent of their carnal sins or perish (Luke 13:3)? And where is the repentance from the pro-homosexual crowd and their supporters? You just pat them on the backs on their way down to perdition, don't you!?

They weigh scripture against new knowledge. If you don't, it becomes obsolete. If your views can't update with new knowledge, it's no good.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Clarified things. And he never changed the moral laws of God. Adultery, theft, idolatry, homosexual sin, etc., remain sins in both the OT and NT.

Ok, sure...

 

[Sand Dancer]

That's your twisted spin.

Your religion is dying in first world countries. Read the book "UnChristian." It shows how people hate all of Christianity because of the far right ones. They think all Christians are bigoted, judgmental, homophobic and out of touch with reality. Is this what you want?

 

[Sand Dancer]

I'm glad you left. Christianity doesn't need another apologist for left-wing lunacy.

It's dying as we speak. As much as the progressives want to help, people see the ugliness that is fundamentalism and want no part of it. Sad...

 

[dianaiad]

That's how I feel about it. It's some outlet for them to turn to, it's not real and thus not hurting anyone. I've heard of them photoshopping images of adults to make them look like children, and even browsing clothing ads that feature children. Most people will state hate it, but in reality it's better than the alternative of them turn to real children in sexual situations.

No.

Just....no.

People who have that sort of 'outlet' escalate. They find themselves no longer satisfied with the substitute, and they....escalate.

the solution, for people who don't have the self-control required to deal with there own impulses, is to see to it that they don't go near children, either in person or in any sort of substitute. Get them occupied doing something ELSE. A lot of something elses.

With a great deal of psychiatric counseling and help, and if they do escalate, make the above solution mandatory. As in, jail. A long time in jail. Better for them, and CERTAINLY better for the kids they won't molest.

BTW, do NOT tell me that people who 'only look at photographs' are not hurting people. If you really think that, then you take your very young children, take all sorts of pictures of them in their underwear, and hand them out to pedophiles in prison.

 

[dianaiad]

So does it not matter that Jesus it's easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than get into Heaven? Are you just ignoring his multiple and many commands to give your money to the poor, and to sell all your possessions?

Did you notice that Jesus told the rich man to give his stuff away....He didn't tell the government to take it away from him?

I'm not a Christian so what does it matter to you? Mine goes to the environment and animals.

Does it? I'm not going to ask what percentage of your income you hand over to those issues...which are good ones...but I will remind you that the wealthiest in this nation give the most--except for, er, Democrats. I remember the election between Obama and Romney, for instance, where Obama's contributions were 14%, and so were Romney's for that year....but only because in order to keep his word that he always paid 13% of his income in income tax, he DID NOT DECLARE an additional $1.2 MILLION dollars of charitable deductions to the IRS. Joe Biden, as it happens, averaged 1.2 percent of his income in charitable contributions.

Then of course there is Hillary Clinton, who donated some of her underwear and took a $2 charitable contribution for it....

The thing is, Shadow Wolf, the very wealthy do contribute more, in absolute funds and in percentages, than the rest of us. MOST Of them, especially the conservatives (though there are a couple of very notable liberals who donate a LOT). The other group of people who donate more money and volunteer hours? lower middle class conservatives to 'lower class' (financially) conservatives.

Jesus never told the government to rearrange income or to tax people. HE told individuals what to do with THEIR money...and yes, He told them to give, and give, and take care of those who were less fortunate.

Which is an extremely conservative stance to take.

 

[JJ50]

Go tell your nonsense to somebody who values your folly. When have liberal churches ever warned homosexual sinners and fornicators to repent of their carnal sins or perish (Luke 13:3)? And where is the repentance from the pro-homosexual crowd and their supporters? You just pat them on the backs on their way down to perdition, don't you!?

I am beginning to think you are a gay in denial, that would figure.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Hey everyone. I wanted to debate about whether or not premarital sex is moral or immoral. I will take the Catholic side since I am Catholic. We believe that premarital sex is immoral. We believe that it is gravely sinful which means that if it is done with full consent of the will and knowledge of the gravity of the sin, it becomes a mortal sin which can send you to Hell.

Anyway, we Catholics believe that sexual intercourse has two purposes: procreation and the union of the spouses which have to be one man and one woman as we don't believe in same-sex marriages. Premarital sex is often violating the first purpose as it is often contracepted sex. Premarital sex always violates the second purpose since the two having sex with each other are not married.

We believe that the Bible speaks out against premarital sex but I will not quote all of the citations from the Bible about it at this time.

So, what do you think? Do you think premarital sex is moral or immoral? Why or why not?

Neither. Its amoral. Sex as a function is to procreate, yes. There's no reason whatsoever we can't use it for fun though... Have you never used a butter knife to unscrew something? Things don't have to be used for their original purpose.

Teaching that abstinence is better than premarital sex has been proved to lead to a higher rate of teen pregnancies (and therefore abortions, although that's no issue for me) and a higher sti transmission rate.

Sex positivity is better for the human race than the sex phobia brought on by belief in something for which nobody (and I do mean nobody) has ever been able to prove exists, never mind what it's supposed to think about where/how/when you dip your wick.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Go tell your nonsense to somebody who values your folly. When have liberal churches ever warned homosexual sinners and fornicators to repent of their carnal sins or perish (Luke 13:3)? And where is the repentance from the pro-homosexual crowd and their supporters? You just pat them on the backs on their way down to perdition, don't you!?

Your beliefs are the reason so many people now are committed to ridding the world of your nonsense. Can I ask you, do you think sexuality is a choice?

 

[JJ50]

Your beliefs are the reason so many people now are committed to ridding the world of your nonsense. Can I ask you, do you think sexuality is a choice?

I agree with you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Spiritually-challenged liberals and heathens are clear evidence of that.

Actually, the thousands of Christian denominations in existence are clear evidence of that.

 

[Spartan]

Your beliefs are the reason so many people now are committed to ridding the world of your nonsense. Can I ask you, do you think sexuality is a choice?

The nonsense is what you're putting out.

Dropping trou to fornicate, commit adultery, or engage in gay sex is a choice. It's premeditated. The mind has to ok it first.

 

[Spartan]

I am beginning to think you are a gay in denial, that would figure.

You would be wrong again.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Spiritually-challenged liberals and heathens are clear evidence of that.

Could you expand on what you mean by my "spirit" if I'm challenged in that department? I know about emotion, logic, self etc but perhaps you could explain where spirit fits in?

I mean, biblically, it literally just means air or breath but I have plenty of that

 

[Spartan]

It's dying as we speak. As much as the progressives want to help, people see the ugliness that is fundamentalism and want no part of it. Sad...

Nuts. But people should be very aware of the curse of liberal fundamentalism.

Liberal Fundamentalism

Excerpts:

"... liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be. It is a contradictory, partisan philosophical perspective with its own rigid set of dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not embrace it, one may likely face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, personal attacks, and perhaps even legal reprisals. Liberal tolerance is therefore neither liberal nor tolerant."

"Rather than truly embrace “freedom,” liberal fundamentalists seek to control virtually every aspect of the lives of the masses that are unfortunate enough to be under their fundamentalist rulership. They seek to outlaw SUV’s, impose smoking bans while advocating marijuana use, prohibit freedom of religious expression in government and public schools, advocate compulsory training in politically correct opinions and attitudes, seek to enforce Bible bans in schools and the workplace, embrace a de-facto litmus test against pro-life judicial nominees, seek to criminalize pro-life demonstrations through the RICO racketeering statute, try to squelch legitimate religious speech via “hate-speech” laws (note Canada), and generally engage in a wide range of behaviors designed to subvert the U.S. Constitution and traditional American values."

"It is certainly arguable, then, that “progressive” liberal fundamentalism substantially undermines the basic effectiveness of the government and other societal elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a Utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism, anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence."

 

[Dan Mellis]

The nonsense is what you're putting out.

Dropping trou to fornicate, commit adultery, or engage in gay sex is a choice. It's premeditated. The mind has to ok it first.

OK, I can accept that engaging in these acts is a choice. They all sound like fun to me... As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, there is no harm to any of the things you listed. In fact, they can all be factors in happily married life. Maybe not a Christian one, but you're not selling that life to be honest.