Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[paarsurrey]

Judaism and Christianity won't believe that the events narrated in Torah or NT-Bible were fictional or mythical.

They added more things to an event happened in real life, so they became mixed up and corrupted, in a sense fictional or mythical. Quran restored reality.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 83: Al-Tatfif: [1]

[83:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[83:2] Woe unto those who give short measure;
[83:3] Those who, when they take by measure from other people, take it full;
[83:4] But when they give by measure to others or weigh to them, they give them less.
[83:5] Do not such people know that they will be raised again
[83:6] Unto a terrible day,
[83:7] The day when mankind will stand before the Lord of the worlds?
[83:8] Nay! the record of the wicked is in Sijjin.
[83:9] And what should make thee know what Sijjin is?
[83:10] It is a Book written comprehensively.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.

Regard

 

[outhouse]

Judaism and Christianity won't believe that the events narrated in Torah or NT-Bible were fictional or mythical.

Either do you

What is your point?

They added more things to an event happened in real life, so they became mixed up and corrupted, in a sense fictional or mythical. Quran restored reality.

koran plagiarized the mythology making it less accurate, and that is a fact.


Its why no credible scholars use your book at all. :slap:

 

[Nada]

Islam was invented 600 years after Christianity.Islam has used Jewish stories from the Talmud and changed it around to fit their cause.

 

[paarsurrey]

Even without Torah stories, Quranic teachings and commandments remain unaffected and most useful.
Torah/Talmud is only commandments/stories without describing any wisdom or reasons, an essential part of teachings to convince one heart and soul, peacefully.

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[outhouse]

Torah/Talmud is only commandments/stories without describing any wisdom or reasons, an essential part of teachings to convince one heart and soul, peacefully.

That's just your blind opinion.

many would say you don't have the intellect to understand the wisdom of these allegorical pieces because your religion perverted and ruined them with a literal interpretation through ignorance.

 

[outhouse]

Even without Torah stories, Quranic teachings and commandments remain unaffected and most useful.

Sure. No one has argued this.

 

[paarsurrey]

That's just your blind opinion.

many would say you don't have the intellect to understand the wisdom of these allegorical pieces because your religion perverted and ruined them with a literal interpretation through ignorance.

Wisdom and reasons have to be mentioned clearly by the un-corrupted scripture, not to be added by the followers of a religion.
Only Quran mention wisdom and reasons.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Only Quran mention wisdom and reasons.

Factual error. The lack of intellect and honesty in this post is pretty disgusting.

It shows rudeness and no manners or respect what so ever for others beliefs

by the un-corrupted scripture

Fanaticism

 

[outhouse]

Only Quran mention wisdom and reasons.

Religious fanatic 1. A person that believes a sacred book is fact and that all other views are wrong


Religious fanaticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And how do you not fit this description?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 83: Al-Tatfif: [2]

[83:11] Woe, on that day, unto those who reject,
[83:12] Who deny the Day of Judgment.
[83:13] And none denies it save every sinful transgressor,
[83:14] Who, when Our Signs are recited unto him, says: ‘Fables of the ancients!’
[83:15] Nay, but that which they have earned has rusted their hearts.
[83:16] Nay, they will surely be debarred from seeing their Lord on that day.
[83:17] Then, verily, they will burn in Hell,
[83:18] Then it will be said to them, ‘This is what you used to reject.’
[83:19] Nay! but the record of the virtuous is surely in ‘Illiyyin.
[83:20] And what should make thee know what ‘Illiyyun is?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

 

[outhouse]

Religious fanatic 1. A person that believes a sacred book is fact and that all other views are wrong


Religious fanaticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And how do you not fit this description?

 

[Nada]

Lol...

 

[Apple Sugar]

Religious fanatic 1. A person that believes a sacred book is fact and that all other views are wrong


Religious fanaticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And how do you not fit this description?

One elects a self title that identifies an outdoor toilet and expects to be taken seriously as a credible critic of theists? Really?

An anti-religious or what some would call bigoted, observation is what is afforded in your remarks. Reflective of someone wholly ignorant of religious commitment, and faith, generally.

How would someone ascribe themselves to a religion and then be able to be persuaded they are wrong by those who afford no empirical evidence denoting the error? You can't disprove the tenets that uphold faith unless you can absolutely prove with evidence a negative. That the deity revered in a particular faith does not exist as a matter of fact.

By the definition above that an atheist affords for the religious who he/she judges as fanatic for their belief one could easily implicate the atheist and call them a fanatic for the same reasons.

One that cleaves to disbelief and believes all other views are wrong.

 

[YmirGF]

One elects a self title that identifies an outdoor toilet and expects to be taken seriously as a credible critic of theists? Really?

An anti-religious or what some would call bigoted, observation is what is afforded in your remarks. Reflective of someone wholly ignorant of religious commitment, and faith, generally.

How would someone ascribe themselves to a religion and then be able to be persuaded they are wrong by those who afford no empirical evidence denoting the error? You can't disprove the tenets that uphold faith unless you can absolutely prove with evidence a negative. That the deity revered in a particular faith does not exist as a matter of fact.

By the definition above that an atheist affords for the religious who he/she judges as fanatic for their belief one could easily implicate the atheist and call them a fanatic for the same reasons.

One that cleaves to disbelief and believes all other views are wrong.

Please, tell me that you are not serious. Really?

 

[outhouse]

How would someone ascribe themselves to a religion and then be able to be persuaded they are wrong by those who afford no empirical evidence denoting the error? .

Apply the same to yourself.

You have no empirical evidence at all, you don't even have good evidence, you don't even have BAD evidence, you have no evidence of any kind.

Yet I do have empirical factual evidence, that supports the bible factually contains mythology, and pseudo history that never took place in reality.

I have evidence there was no Abraham, Noah, Flood, Exodus, Moses, Adam and Eve.

I have evidence your mythological god is compilation of previous Canaanite deities. And guess what apple, its not disputed

Your also a bit hypocritical as you denounce the thousands of gods man has created and defined in the past, the only difference between you and me is I discount one more then you.

 

[outhouse]

One that cleaves to disbelief and believes all other views are wrong.

Do you think YEC is fanaticism due to literalism?

 

[outhouse]

Please, tell me that you are not serious. Really?

I wish they just had a little education on these topics before blindly spraying us with faith alone.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Apply the same to yourself.

Apple sugar, aka pectin.
Not in any way compared to a sewer channel.

You have no empirical evidence at all, you don't even have good evidence, you don't even have BAD evidence, you have no evidence of any kind.

I have the evidence of all that exists.
While you believe nothing created everything. And if you go with the 'big bang' theory, theory, not fact, you fail to answer that what discredits religious faith when you can't tell us what the source was that made the elements that caused something to go bang in the first place.

The rest of your remarks are inflated angst toward theists. You hold no respect for religion, no belief in deity, and yet you join a religious forum.
You occupy your time in an environment that respects what you argue isn't real.

 

[outhouse]

You hold no respect for religion,

Looking in a mirror?


I have more passion then you ever will. I actually study religion because I have a passion for it. As well as science and history.

I specialize in Israelites ethnogenesis and historical jesus research, as well as flood and creation mythology. I have studied Paul at Harvard and the NT under Dale B Martin at Yale. and been researching almost solid the past 4 years.

Now your welcome to learn what religion is all about, OT you can keep attacking the messenger out of desperation and lack of credible sources that back your mythology.


This thread is about getting closed minded muslims to recognize the plagiarism you admit, while it will always be a loosing battle with the mulsim keeping the thread alive, there are those more modern on the fence, and it is the casual onlooker we have a chance of helping.