From what I have read. there is a lot of similarity between the two books, maybe time between them might shed a light on things.
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
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From what I have read. there is a lot of similarity between the two books, maybe time between them might shed a light on things.
paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 66: Al-Tahrim [2]
[66:11]Allah sets forth for those who disbelieve the example of the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two righteous servants of Ours, but they acted unfaithfully towards them. So they availed them naught against Allah, and it was said to them, ‘Enter the Fire, ye twain, along with those who enter.’
[66:12]And Allah sets forth for those who believe the example of the wife of Pharaoh when she said, ‘My Lord! build for me a house with Thee in the Garden; and deliver me from Pharaoh and his work, and deliver me from the wrongdoing people;’
[66:13]And the example of Mary, the daughter of ‘Imran, who guarded her private parts — so We breathed into him of Our Spirit — and she fulfilled in her person the words of her Lord and His Books and was one of the obedient.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=66&verse=11
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 66: Al-Tahrim [2]
[66:11]Allah sets forth for those who disbelieve the example of the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two righteous servants of Ours, but they acted unfaithfully towards them. So they availed them naught against Allah, and it was said to them, ‘Enter the Fire, ye twain, along with those who enter.’
[66:12]And Allah sets forth for those who believe the example of the wife of Pharaoh when she said, ‘My Lord! build for me a house with Thee in the Garden; and deliver me from Pharaoh and his work, and deliver me from the wrongdoing people;’
[66:13]And the example of Mary, the daughter of ‘Imran, who guarded her private parts — so We breathed into him of Our Spirit — and she fulfilled in her person the words of her Lord and His Books and was one of the obedient.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=66&verse=11
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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paarsurrey
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Welcome in the thread.
Time will confirm:
- Moses and Muhammad got Revelation/Converse from the same ONE common source of G-d (Allah, Yahweh).
- G-d told Muhammad whatever he wanted to of events happened in the past, present and or future whether written in a book existing anywhere in the world or not recorded in writing yet that had happened. G-d (Allah/Yahweh) is All-Knowing.
- Judaism people or Christian people or any people in the world cannot stop Yahweh from revealing on Muhammad or his authorized Successor Mirza Ghulam Ahmad whatever He liked to.
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rosends
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firedragon
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Of course, anyone can claim that. But we have to analyse (Not analize) and see openly from the scripture.
But its just that this thread is about the Quran and Bible/Torah.
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paarsurrey
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Would one provide the criteria of a true prophet-messenger of G-d (Allah, Yahweh) from Torah, so that the truthfulness or (otherwise) of Moses, Jesus and or Joseph Smith could be ascertained? Please
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rosends
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If I provided it, it would exclude Jesus, Mohammed and Joseph Smith. Is that what you want?
paarsurrey
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Just provide the Criteria, please. First it will be seen if it validates the prophet-hood of Moses. Please go ahead.
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rosends
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Sure -- first, from among the Jewish people.
Second -- from the time frame before prophecy ended.
paarsurrey
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Please quote from Torah where Moses mentioned this criteria .
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rosends
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start with Deut 18:15
Tumah
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lol
paarsurrey
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Please provide all the Criteria in a post.
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rosends
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I gave you the first one. Let's discuss that first.
paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 65: Al-Talaq [1]
[65:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[65:2]O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for theprescribedperiod, and reckon the period; and fear Allah. Turn them not out of their houses, nor should theythemselvesleave unless they commit an act which is manifestly foul. And these are the limitssetby Allah; and whoso transgresses the limits of Allah, he indeed wrongs his own soul. Thou knowest not; it may be that thereafter Allah will bring something new to pass.
[65:3] Then, when they are about to reach their prescribed term, keep them with kindness, or put them away with kindness, and call to witness two just persons from among you; and bear true witness for Allah. This is by which is admonished he who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And he who fears Allah — He will make for him a way out,
[65:4]And will provide for him from where he expects not. And he who puts his trust in Allah — He is sufficient for him. Verily, Allah will accomplish His purpose. For everything has Allah appointed a measure.
[65:5]And if you are in doubtas tosuch of your women as despair of monthly courses, thenknow thatthe prescribed period for them is three months, andthe same is forsuch as have not had their monthly coursesyet. Andas for thosewho are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears Allah, He will provide facilities for him in his affair.
[65:6]That is the command of Allah which He has revealed to you. And whoso fears Allah — He will remove the evilconsequencesof his deeds and will enlarge his reward.
[65:7]Lodge themduring the prescribed periodin the houses wherein you dwell, according tothe best ofyour means; and harass them not that you may create hardships for them. And if they be with child, spend on them until they are delivered of their burden. And if they give suckto the childfor you, give them their recompense, and consult with one another in kindness; but if you meet with difficulty from each other, then anotherwoman shallsucklethe childfor him (the father).
[65:8]Let him who has abundance of means spend out of his abundance. And let him whose means of subsistence are straitened spend out of what Allah has given him. Allah burdens not any soul beyond that which He has given it. Allah will soon bring about ease after hardship.
[65:9]How many a city rebelled against the command of its Lord and His Messengers, and We called it to severe account, and punished it with dire punishment!
[65:10]So it tasted the evil consequences of its conduct, and the end of its affair was ruin.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=65
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
Regards
The Holy Quran : Chapter 65: Al-Talaq [1]
[65:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[65:2]O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for theprescribedperiod, and reckon the period; and fear Allah. Turn them not out of their houses, nor should theythemselvesleave unless they commit an act which is manifestly foul. And these are the limitssetby Allah; and whoso transgresses the limits of Allah, he indeed wrongs his own soul. Thou knowest not; it may be that thereafter Allah will bring something new to pass.
[65:3] Then, when they are about to reach their prescribed term, keep them with kindness, or put them away with kindness, and call to witness two just persons from among you; and bear true witness for Allah. This is by which is admonished he who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And he who fears Allah — He will make for him a way out,
[65:4]And will provide for him from where he expects not. And he who puts his trust in Allah — He is sufficient for him. Verily, Allah will accomplish His purpose. For everything has Allah appointed a measure.
[65:5]And if you are in doubtas tosuch of your women as despair of monthly courses, thenknow thatthe prescribed period for them is three months, andthe same is forsuch as have not had their monthly coursesyet. Andas for thosewho are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears Allah, He will provide facilities for him in his affair.
[65:6]That is the command of Allah which He has revealed to you. And whoso fears Allah — He will remove the evilconsequencesof his deeds and will enlarge his reward.
[65:7]Lodge themduring the prescribed periodin the houses wherein you dwell, according tothe best ofyour means; and harass them not that you may create hardships for them. And if they be with child, spend on them until they are delivered of their burden. And if they give suckto the childfor you, give them their recompense, and consult with one another in kindness; but if you meet with difficulty from each other, then anotherwoman shallsucklethe childfor him (the father).
[65:8]Let him who has abundance of means spend out of his abundance. And let him whose means of subsistence are straitened spend out of what Allah has given him. Allah burdens not any soul beyond that which He has given it. Allah will soon bring about ease after hardship.
[65:9]How many a city rebelled against the command of its Lord and His Messengers, and We called it to severe account, and punished it with dire punishment!
[65:10]So it tasted the evil consequences of its conduct, and the end of its affair was ruin.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=65
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"The root metaphor of the warning of God's wrath is almost identical to that found in the bible."
Kindly mention the root metaphor. Please
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#1430
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I just did. The metaphor of the warning of God's wrath.
paarsurrey
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Nobody from the Judaism people, Christianity people, Zoroastrian people and or Atheism people etc could prove, in five days, that the verses [65:1]to[65:10] of Quran mentioned in Post #1495 have been copied from their scriptures in vogue in Muhammad's time.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality. Right?
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Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality. Right?
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Well, in your opinion. It is certainly the case that the Qur'an echoes things found in earlier scriptures. Proving that this is because of common divine origins or because of their common culture is rather impossible on that simple a basis. So people's opinions on this are going to vary.
Can you prove that there is no small pink elephant on the roof of your house right now? Of course you can't. But that doesn't mean there is one.
rosends
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Just to repeat your logic (for the umpteenth time):
If no one can prove that a particular text was copied from earlier texts, and if the text claimed to be written by God, it therefore was written by God.
This is your claim, and yet you don't seem to want to embrace the Book of Mormon.