Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[outhouse]

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 88: Al-Ghashiyah: [1]

[88:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[88:2] Has there come to thee the news of the overwhelming calamity?
[88:3] Some faces on that day will be downcast;
[88:4] Toiling, weary.
[88:5] They shall enter a burning Fire;
[88:6] And will be made to drink from a boiling spring;
[88:7] They will have no food save that of dry, bitter and thorny herbage,
[88:8] Which will neither fatten, nor satisfy hunger.
[88:9] And some faces on that day will be joyful,
[88:10] Well pleased with their labour,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online


Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

 

[outhouse]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 88: Al-Ghashiyah: [1]

[88:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[88:2] Has there come to thee the news of the overwhelming calamity?
[88:3] Some faces on that day will be downcast;
[88:4] Toiling, weary.
[88:5] They shall enter a burning Fire;
[88:6] And will be made to drink from a boiling spring;
[88:7] They will have no food save that of dry, bitter and thorny herbage,
[88:8] Which will neither fatten, nor satisfy hunger.
[88:9] And some faces on that day will be joyful,
[88:10] Well pleased with their labour,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online


Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

 

[paarsurrey]

Quran does not claim to be a text book of history.
Does it?
If so; please quote from Quran.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Quran does not claim to be a text book of history.
Does it?
If so; please quote from Quran.

Regards

OK so it is all mythology. And any and all historical claims made by the book are not valid or credible, is that what you are NOW saying?

 

[outhouse]

Quran does not claim to be a text book of history.
Does it?

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?


The bible does not make that claim either, but it is used by many credible historians. why?

 

[Nakosis]

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

I don't know whom you consider credible, however there are a number of historians which see, describe Mohammed as a terrorist, but I don't know why that would preclude the Qur'an from historical use.

They obviously feel they can conclude some historical truth about who Mohammed was. Historians see Mohammed as a bad "evil" person who murdered innocent people. Having this view, why would they want anything to do with Islam.

 

[paarsurrey]

History is not be all and end all of human life.
It is a tool (among many others) of reason/revelation to find truth.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

I don't know whom you consider credible, however there are a number of historians which see, describe Mohammed as a terrorist, but I don't know why that would preclude the Qur'an from historical use.

They obviously feel they can conclude some historical truth about who Mohammed was. Historians see Mohammed as a bad "evil" person who murdered innocent people. Having this view, why would they want anything to do with Islam.

Maybe you misunderstand what I stated.

Some history from that time period of Muhammad can be accurate.


What is not accurate in any way is the korans statements on Israelites or during jesus period. the book is useless for any history of this period

 

[outhouse]

History is not be all and end all of human life.
It is a tool (among many others) of reason/revelation to find truth.

Regards

Stop trying to degrade education and knowledge. Your only proselytizing your faith.


History tells us what happened and what did not happen with accuracy in some cases.


in muhammads case, the picture is ugly. It shows a pedophile who plagiarized others mythology with a sword.

 

[Aamer]

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

They're not history books and cannot be used to cite historic events. Historical documents include specific dates. I don't know about the others, but I certainly don't claim them they should be used as historical documents.

 

[Aamer]

Stop trying to degrade education and knowledge. Your only proselytizing your faith.


History tells us what happened and what did not happen with accuracy in some cases.


in muhammads case, the picture is ugly. It shows a pedophile who plagiarized others mythology with a sword.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical of you to bash the scriptures as being historical documents yet you're so quick to call Muhammad a pedophile based on the word of 3 random Persians who lived 300 years after Muhammad? No historian takes the politically motivated hadith books seriously, so why the double standard from you?

 

[Aamer]

Maybe you misunderstand what I stated.

Some history from that time period of Muhammad can be accurate.


What is not accurate in any way is the korans statements on Israelites or during jesus period. the book is useless for any history of this period

Again, you show your lack of knowledge. I agree with you that none of the scriptures, including Quran, can be used for historical purposes.

But then you say that "Some history from the time of Muhammad can be accurate?"

Really? What history? There is not a single shred of "history" from his lifetime. The only document that exists from his lifetime is the Quran and we both agree this book cannot be used as a historical document.

Please show me ONE piece of recorded history about Muhammad from his lifetime. No such thing exists.

ALL records of him were published after his death. Most of them 250-300 years after. Not exactly "history". You can't even "historically" prove that he existed, never mind give details.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 88: Al-Ghashiyah: [2]

[88:11] In a lofty Garden,
[88:12] Wherein thou wilt hear no idle talk;
[88:13] Therein is a running spring,
[88:14] Therein are raised couches,
[88:15] And goblets properly placed,
[88:16] And cushions beautifully ranged,
[88:17] And carpets tastefully spread.
[88:18] Do they not then look at the camel, how it is created?
[88:19] And at the heaven, how it is raised high?
[88:20] And at the mountains, how they are set up?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online



Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

 

[paarsurrey]

Again, you show your lack of knowledge. I agree with you that none of the scriptures, including Quran, can be used for historical purposes.

But then you say that "Some history from the time of Muhammad can be accurate?"

Really? What history? There is not a single shred of "history" from his lifetime. The only document that exists from his lifetime is the Quran and we both agree this book cannot be used as a historical document.

Please show me ONE piece of recorded history about Muhammad from his lifetime. No such thing exists.

ALL records of him were published after his death. Most of them 250-300 years after. Not exactly "history". You can't even "historically" prove that he existed, never mind give details.

You make a good point.
I appreciate.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I would say that region has had its share of dictators that might resemble Abraham and its conquests for the holy land. How many have claimed rights to those lands these past thousands of years. Land promised to Abraham and still not given to him very easily, struggling for these lands even in the bible with gods direct help.

Quran does not mention of such Abraham who was promised any real estate or lands and who hankered after occupying lands as you have mentioned above perhaps from Bible.

Quran mention Ibrahim who was a righteous person and had a different character. There is one chapter in Quran named after Ibrahim. I would like to quote from it here:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 14: Ibrahim [2]

[14:11] Their Messengers said, ‘Are you in doubt concerning Allah, Maker of the heavens and the earth? He calls you that He may forgive you your sins, and grant you respite till an appointed term.’ They said, ‘You are but men like ourselves; you desire to turn us away from that which our fathers used to worship. Bring us, then, a clear proof.’
[14:12] Their Messengers said to them, ‘We are indeed only men like yourselves, but Allah bestows His favour on whomsoever He wills from among His servants. And it is not for us to bring you a proof except by the command of Allah. And in Allah alone should the believers put their trust.
[14:13] ‘And why should we not put our trust in Allah when He has showed us our ways? And we will, surely, bear with patience all the harm you do us. So in Allah let those who trust put their trust.’
[14:14] And those who disbelieved said to their Messengers, ‘We will, surely, expel you from our land unless you return to our religion.’ Then their Lord sent unto them the revelation: ‘We will, surely, destroy the wrongdoers.
[14:15] ‘And We will, surely, make you dwell in the land after them. This is for him who fears to stand before My Tribunal and fears My warning.’
[14:16] And they prayed for victory, and as a result thereof every haughty enemy of truthcame to naught.
[14:17] Before him is Hell; and he shall be made to drink boiling water.
[14:18] He shall sip it and shall not be able to swallow it easily. And death shall come to him from every quarter, yet he shall not die. And besides that there shall be for him a severe chastisement.
[14:19] The case of those who disbelieve in their Lord is that their works are like ashes on which the wind blows violently on a stormy day. They shall have no power over what they earned. That, indeed, is extreme ruin.
[14:20] Dost thou not see that Allah created the heavens and the earth in accordance with the requirements of wisdom? If He please, He can do away with you, and bring a new creation.

Regards

 

[McBell]

They're not history books and cannot be used to cite historic events. Historical documents include specific dates. I don't know about the others, but I certainly don't claim them they should be used as historical documents.

It happens when one is as guilty of the charge one levels at others.
Funny thing is, he does it while claiming to "know better" and is in complete denial about the whole thing.

So much for logic and reason. eh?

 

[McBell]

Stop trying to degrade education and knowledge. Your only proselytizing your faith.


History tells us what happened and what did not happen with accuracy in some cases.


in muhammads case, the picture is ugly. It shows a pedophile who plagiarized others mythology with a sword.

Now you are merely flame baiting.

 

[paarsurrey]

History is not be all and end all of human life.
History is a tool (among many others) of reason/revelation to find truth.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

They're not history books and cannot be used to cite historic events. Historical documents include specific dates. I don't know about the others, but I certainly don't claim them they should be used as historical documents.

Your factually wrong.

The bible is not a history book, yet it is used by scholars

Why not Koran? so its all mythology and not historical events that ever really took place?