Is religion devised stupidity to control the people?

[Spirit of Light]

This is a debate forum, bare claims are meaningless, else one can literally claim anything, and label it opinion. Not that subjective opinions have no place, but they are less compelling that claims for which sufficient objective evidence can be demonstrated. Even a bare opinion ought to be justified here of course, it's no good claiming red is a far better colour than blue, as again in a debate forum that seems a pointless revelation.

God is in everything from the tinyest particle to the universe and beyond. ( that is my belief) but others may understand it differently.

 

[Mishmash]

If it is @mikkel_the_dane personal belief, why do he has to prove anything to others?
Does it matter to a believer that you do not believe in a God? No, it is your personal opinion that God probably does not exist since you have no physical "evidence "

Can you prove God does not exist?

1.We , the human race cannot really explain existence , there is a possibility there may be some form of creator we call God .

2.Any attempts to explain a possible creator can only be speculation

I do not have to prove or disprove an existence of a God because I am not in denial of the facts . If mikkel is in denial of the two statements then it is on him to provide proof to back up his statement .

 

[Spirit of Light]

1.We , the human race cannot really explain existence , there is a possibility there may be some form of creator we call God .

2.Any attempts to explain a possible creator can only be speculation

I do not have to prove or disprove an existence of a God because I am not in denial of the facts . If mikkel is in denial of the two statements then it is on him to provide proof to back up his statement .

Spiritual faith is belief in deity, it does not need science

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you disagree then you need to produce evidence of the existence of God . Hearsay is not a viable defense .

Well, now we are getting somewhere. If I believe in God, that all I have to do, because that is how the world works. It is a fact that a human can believe in God. I don't need to produce evidence for a belief, if all I need is a belief.
Now if I claimed I knew God existed, then yes, I would need to give evidence as that is the normative rule in regards to knowledge.

But as long as I believe in something and don't claim knowledge, then your demand doesn't work.

 

[Mishmash]

Spiritual faith is belief in deity, it does not need science

Who's talking science ?

I talk common sense and a belief that is unfounded should not be exploited to take money and horde it

 

[Spirit of Light]

Who's talking science ?

I talk common sense and a belief that is unfounded should not be exploited to take money and horde it

That has nothing to do with Gods existence or not.

Money is a man made object, religious beliefs are and will be a belief in God, no matter if a few nut cases of leaders think money is what brings you to heaven...

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Who's talking science ?

I talk common sense and a belief that is unfounded should not be exploited to take money and horde it

Yes, but that is not all religion.

 

[Mishmash]

Well, now we are getting somewhere. If I believe in God, that all I have to do, because that is how the world works. It is a fact that a human can believe in God. I don't need to produce evidence for a belief, if all I need is a belief.
Now if I claimed I knew God existed, then yes, I would need to give evidence as that is the normative rule in regards to knowledge.

But as long as I believe in something and don't claim knowledge, then your demand doesn't work.

1.We , the human race cannot really explain existence , there is a possibility there may be some form of creator we call God .

2.Any attempts to explain a possible creator can only be speculation

You disagreed with this when it says that .

You would need to produce evidence for number 2 if you try to describe God or what God commands .

 

[Mishmash]

Yes, but that is not all religion.

There is always a power if you rewind , one person better off as a result of procedes of religion

You might not see this in your own circles of people but if you rewind there is always somebody . Look at these avangelists for an example , it is donating to their life style .

 

[Mishmash]

That has nothing to do with Gods existence or not.

Money is a man made object, religious beliefs are and will be a belief in God, no matter if a few nut cases of leaders think money is what brings you to heaven...

Money is man made and most religious leaders have so much of it compared to their flocks

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is always a power if you rewind , one person better off as a result of procedes of religion

You might not see this in your own circles of people but if you rewind there is always somebody . Look at these avangelists for an example , it is donating to their life style .

It says more about the persons attachments to money, than about all religions are based upon money...faith dont need money.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
This is a debate forum, bare claims are meaningless, else one can literally claim anything, and label it opinion. Not that subjective opinions have no place, but they are less compelling that claims for which sufficient objective evidence can be demonstrated. Even a bare opinion ought to be justified here of course, it's no good claiming red is a far better colour than blue, as again in a debate forum that seems a pointless revelation.

God is in everything from the tinyest particle to the universe and beyond. ( that is my belief) but others may understand it differently.

You have offered nothing to understand, just a bare claim again. Like saying I like the colour red..as it is the best colour.

 

[Mishmash]

It says more about the persons attachments to money, than about all religions are based upon money...faith dont need money.

Having a beleif doesn't need Vatican building or Mosque or other , give us money for god sounds fraudalent

 

[Spirit of Light]

You have offered nothing to understand, just a bare claim again. Like saying I like the colour red..as it is the best colour.

Personal belief and faith is that "Personal to the one who are the believer " that you dont understand my belief may come from if sufism is unfamiliar to you.

I dont have anything to prove to others

 

[Sheldon]

It says more about the persons attachments to money, than about all religions are based upon money...faith dont need money.

Organization Worth (billion USD) Country
The Vatican (part of the Catholic Church) 4.0 Vatican City
Opus Dei (part of the Catholic Church) 2.0 worldwide
Catholic Church in the Philippines 2.0 Philippines
Church of Scientology 2.0 United States

Hmm...Then of course is the comparative wealth of religions and those religions followers. I don't think anyone is suggesting every single person involved in religions is cynically milking it for personal gain. just that a lot of them are doing precisely that...

That rather suggests this is not about individuals.

 

[Sheldon]

Personal belief and faith is that "Personal to the one who are the believer " that you dont understand my belief may come from if sufism is unfamiliar to you.

I dont have anything to prove to others

Yes you really do, you may be disinclined to bother, or have nothing beyond bare assertions, but you're in a debate forum, endlessly making bare claims isn't debate, it's preaching.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Having a beleif doesn't need Vatican building or Mosque or other , give us money for god sounds fraudalent

True: Belief in God does not need other that faith and belief.
God would be there no matter if the houses of worship was there or not.

Those places are for folloers to have a place to meet.
A wooden Hut would be ebough

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

1.We , the human race cannot really explain existence , there is a possibility there may be some form of creator we call God .

2.Any attempts to explain a possible creator can only be speculation

You disagreed with this when it says that .

You would need to produce evidence for number 2 if you try to describe God or what God commands .

I don't describe God as if God exists. I describe God as belief in some humans. And further all religions are not about God. And if for those religions, which are about God, they don't do God in an universal manner. You are overgeneralizing religion and God.

For God there is personal and non-personal variants. There are revealed and non-revealed versions. There are theistic and deistic gods. There are some people, who have multiple gods. Some gods are philosophical non-theistic principles and not really gods. Then there is agnosticism and gnosticism. Yeah, and pantheism and I properly left some out. Then there is natural religions and even some atheistic ones.

You really need to learn more about religion than what appears to be a Western cultural bias for an Abrahamic God. So welcome to a multicultural and multi religious forum.
You really need to improve on your understanding of culture and religion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes you really do, you may be disinclined to bother, or have nothing beyond bare assertions, but you're in a debate forum, endlessly making bare claims isn't debate, it's preaching.

I have not clamed anything, only said my belief.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes you really do, you may be disinclined to bother, or have nothing beyond bare assertions, but you're in a debate forum, endlessly making bare claims isn't debate, it's preaching.

So he has to prove a belief. What kind of epistemology are you doing now?