Of course not. But it is enough to defeat the claim that if parents with religion X make children, then those children will also follow religion X.
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Is religion dying?
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
How many do you know?
It depends where in the world you are, higher income countries are showing a significant decline in religion. Much of western Europe has shown a rapid decline over the last 50 years. Over the last 20 years America has also shown a rapid decline.
In Russia it depends on the religion, orthodox religion is stable, other Christian denominations are declining.
Much of Africa has shown an increase in the religiously affiliated.
Religion in Muslim countries is rising with the rise in population.
Overall there has been a decrease in religiously affiliated around the world. A trend that is likely to continue
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
False.
You said "All the Jews [ plural ] I know are ..." which is much different than "the only Jew I know is ..."
So, how many Jews do you know? How do you know they are Jewish? Were they raised Jewish? How much do you actually know about them? How did you determine they were an Atheist?
IOW, it seems like you're exaggerating, and I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Is religion dying?
I truly hope so but I very much doubt it. Although we can see progress in so many countries as to this happening. Campaign for no (directed) religious education in schools (in all countries) and it might become reality.
Leave the supporters of religious schools to their own devices long enough and they end up campaigning against religious schools themselves.
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Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
It depends on what part of the world you are talking about.
Self-identified Christians make up 63% of U.S. population in 2021, down from 75% a decade ago
According to the 2019 Eurobarometer survey about Religiosity in the European Union Christianity is the largest religion in the European Union accounting 64% of the EU population,[18] down from 72% in 2012.
Sub-Saharan Africa
Christians are projected to remain the region’s largest religious group, growing from 517 million in 2010 to more than 1.1 billion in 2050. But the Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the Christian population (170% vs. 115%), rising from 248 million to 670 million. Most of the smaller religious groups in sub-Saharan Africa, including adherents of folk religions and the religiously unaffiliated, are expected to experience at least modest growth in the decades ahead, although the small Jewish population is projected to shrink.
While the absolute number of Christians in sub-Saharan Africa is expected to double in size by 2050, the Christian share of the region’s population is expected to decline, dropping from 63% in 2010 to 59% in 2050. Meanwhile, the Muslim share is projected to increase from 30% to 35%.
Atheists, agnostics, and other religious non-affiliates are a dying breed in Asia. According to a Pew Research Center study released last week, Asia's shrinking pool of men and women who don't identify with any religion are driving a drop in the proportion of “religious nones” in the world. Apr 6, 2015
But this seems more down to population growth - of the religious:
Asia-Pacific
Hindus were the largest religious group in the Asia-Pacific region as of 2010, with about 1 billion adherents. While the number of Hindus is expected to
www.pewresearch.org
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
No. The human population is growing. So nonreligion is growing, but so is every religious group, because more people are being born and they fall into diverse categories.
I don't think religion is going to go anywhere any time soon. It's a part of the human experience. Mainstream religions might change to be more naturalistic and secular, but there will always be some people carrying on older beliefs. They will do so in secret if necessary.
In the broad sense where religion refers to shared cultural ceremonies, those are so ingrained in humanity that I don't see them going anywhere. I think Shinto could potentially continue until human extinction (or the end of the earth, whichever is first) barring any natural disaster or conqueror that dramatically reshapes Japan.
I don't think religion is going to go anywhere any time soon. It's a part of the human experience. Mainstream religions might change to be more naturalistic and secular, but there will always be some people carrying on older beliefs. They will do so in secret if necessary.
In the broad sense where religion refers to shared cultural ceremonies, those are so ingrained in humanity that I don't see them going anywhere. I think Shinto could potentially continue until human extinction (or the end of the earth, whichever is first) barring any natural disaster or conqueror that dramatically reshapes Japan.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
The growth of these religious groups can be traced mostly to their relatively young populations and high fertility rates.But this seems more down to population growth - of the religious:
Asia-Pacific
Hindus were the largest religious group in the Asia-Pacific region as of 2010, with about 1 billion adherents. While the number of Hindus is expected to
By contrast, older populations and relatively low fertility rates are factors in why the share of the region’s population with no religious affiliation is projected to decline from 21% in 2010 to 17% in 2050. Similarly, the Buddhist share of the Asia-Pacific population is expected to drop from nearly 12% in 2010 to less than 10% in 2050. The proportion of the region’s population belonging to folk religions also is forecast to decline, from 9% in 2010 to about 7% in 2050.
What's your point? This means to me that the young are rejecting the no religious affiliation of their parents. In Europe and North America it is the opposite.
Why are we debating here? This is supposed to be religious discussion.
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Just pointing out the inevitability of numbers if the population grows rather than decisions being taken, given that the religious do tend to have a habit of passing on their religions to the next generation.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It ends with how you understand religion and if I do that differently.
To me some standard non-religious people for the standard Western cultural understanding are religious for another cultural understanding. We are play cultural relativism.
I don't know as to how religions will fare but from what I have seen in many of the European countries and elsewhere, it is more down to the strictness of passing on religions - mostly in the countries where religion (of any sort) dominates their lives - that is why religions might show increases when the trend in so many countries is the reverse. And often it is the lack of freedoms and/or education that enables religions to carry on dominating these societies. We are talking about religions as most people accept the term.
PS And it's not as if the religions are pointing the way - as to progress. It is those without any such who seem to be doing so.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think religion will still be around.
What's dying is that ridiculous belief that magically imbued skydaddies, angels, demons, flying unicorns, spooks, and whatever else supernaturally goes bump in the night is actually real and out there.
Of course, the mentally sourced make believe realms are excepted as that is the only place where these things 'exist' and live happily in the imagination.
Sedim Haba
Outa here... bye-bye!
Ya, I'm old.... wut was da q againt? dyin? ya i suupose i am...
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I don't know as to how religions will fare but from what I have seen in many of the European countries and elsewhere, it is more down to the strictness of passing on religions - mostly in the countries where religion (of any sort) dominates their lives - that is why religions might show increases when the trend in so many countries is the reverse. And often it is the lack of freedoms and/or education that enables religions to carry on dominating these societies. We are talking about religions as most people accept the term.
PS And it's not as if the religions are pointing the way - as to progress. It is those without any such who seem to be doing so.
Yes and for another definition of religion, that is not without religion. It is just different versions, than the ones you consider religions.
We are doing cultural relativism. You are of one sub-culture with humanity, I am of another. Go figure.
I'm still wending my way through Erich Fromm's book Psychoanalysis and Religion. He says that psychology is the study of religion and that neurosis are actually private religions (but he is not claiming that private religions are neurosis). He says religions can either help or hinder the powers of humanity but that all people are religious whether we admit it or not.
What I currently think is that we all need a starting place to ponder ourselves, to orient our ideals. We each have ideals, and we follow those. That's true whether we are sane or crazy; and no matter if it appears that someone has no ideals they still have ideals. Their ideals could be power, wealth, love, peace etc. These are still ideals, and the human is still very much like a squirrel chasing a nut. I don't think this is a new opinion and is one that has been held across time. Shared ideals = shared religion to some degree, but each person is an individual not an exact copy of another. We also can't know what another person's ideals truly are; but we have our own ideals. We start out with no ideals and our identies are formed along with our ideals, as part of the same being. Perhaps if ideals change so does the person, and perhaps changing ideals is a shorthand way to describe maturing.
I figure to use the general definition of religion, ta. And I don't presume to have such.Yes and for another definition of religion, that is not without religion. It is just different versions, than the ones you consider religions.
We are doing cultural relativism. You are of one sub-culture with humanity, I am of another. Go figure.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Can you rephrase that?