The younger one is, the less they know about America in the past 40-50 years. I lived during that time and America was a much better and safer place to live then. Yes we had race problems, but we worked on them and resolved most to them. At least 40-50 people were not getting shot in Chicago 40 years ago.
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Is religion making us all stupid ?
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The younger one is, the less they know about America in the past 40-50 years. I lived during that time and America was a much better and safer place to live then. Yes we had race problems, but we worked on them and resolved most to them. At least 40-50 people were not getting shot in Chicago 40 years ago.
psychoslice
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So only your meaning of god is the only true meaning ?.
Thinking does not prove the thinking is accurate. I think logic demands a God. See how that works?
psychoslice
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Yes it certainly has changed, but then back about 35 years ago, I was shot while driving on a highway just out of my town here in Australia.
psychoslice
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Well of course its not just thinking, its trying to find real evidence that hasn't been found as yet, I mean real evidence not just faith.
Yes it certainly has changed, but then back about 35 years ago, I was shot while driving on a highway just out of my town here in Australia.
Surely you are not suggesting one person getting shot is equilevent to 40-50 a day, and that is in just one city.
Let me suggest there is no evidence. So until there is, I will stick to faith.
JakofHearts
2 Tim 1.7
You know, I'd appreciate it if you took the time to at least consider my points and address them directly so I can recognize where the contradiction and inconsistency lies, so I can correct you. To paint Islamic history with a broad brush only generates a politically correct pseudo-history. In terms of the OP, maybe there is credence in mobile phones, technology dimming the mind a little, i.e. Facebook, wikipedia, etc.
If you may, I'd encourage you to listen to a neutral source on the matter of the Islamic golden age. Shoot to 5:00 and try to pay attention when he begins to talk about this 300 year period in Islamic history and know why Islam continued to this day barbarism while the West advanced.
Just a couple of other points I'd like to address, as you mentioned Islam as comparable to Christianity. To some extent due to partially accepting Jesus and the Torah into their doctrines, Islam is by no means comparable to Christianity in any shape or form. Islam is more in line with the pagan moon god from pre-Islamic times in which it gets it's origins.
And this misconception of the crusades, though being not at all in line with Jesus, the basis of Christianity, the crusades and jihad are a non-comparison anyway.
A historian researched the jihad throughout it's history and found 548 battles that Islam fought against the West and other civilizations, and this isn't even all the battles. It doesn't say much about Africa and India, Afghanistan, etc; it's primarily focus were on the battles against the classical civilizations of Europe and the Middle East.
Source of jihad battles: http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/charts/Islam-BattlesDate.pdf
Lets talk facts.
Yes, there were crusades but notice the comparison, the crusades ended centuries ago, and jihad is still practised today; Jihad has been with us for 1400+ years. There is no comparison between jihad and the crusades; certainly not a moral comparison. In one sense all of the Crusades were defensive wars. Why? It was Islam that came out of Arabia and conquered the Middle East, a Christian Middle East. And so the crusaders were trying to bring defense and safety for Christians from jihad. So there is no moral comparison at all. The motivation of the crusades was to gain a defensive foothold for Christians and Christian holy lands; the purpose of jihad was to literally enslave and assimilate the Kafir.
psychoslice
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No of course not, but it happened to me personally and that's the deference.
psychoslice
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Fair enough, at least your honest.
I've carefully considered your points. That why I took a few days to respond.
You don't think that could sound a little patronising?
And you can also dismiss Islamic history with another broad brush reflecting the far right perspective.
Thanks for sharing. It raises some interesting points.
Thats debatable. The Muslim God Allah, and the Jewish God Yahweh look very similar. Did the Jews and Christians not believe in the same God?
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So how was the massacre of all the inhabitants of Jerusalem inspired by the book of Joshua a pre emptive stike and morally better than the Muslims?
You are good at research. How many battles have the Christians fought against other civilisations as well as themselves?
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I'm happy to explore the facts. Its probably getting a little off track from the original OP though. Shall we start a new thread? I'm sure it's all been done before on RF anyhow.
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psychoslice
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You can do whatever you like on this thread, maybe it will make it more interesting lol.
Hi Psychoslice. Thanks for many great moments this year. Have a nice Christmas and New Year and or Holiday season. I always enjoyed your posts and learnt a lot from you and I share many of your views.
Happy Holiday Season. and Happy New Year!!
I don't know. I'm not from New Zealand. As long as they know how to use a calendar they'll be fine.
It depends on the condition of our hearts. If our hearts have rich soil (sincerity & humility) in them, then fruitful trees can be planted which will make us a better person, but if the soil of our heart is barren (full of pride & ego)or even like concrete then no matter how good the seed is it will not grow or bring forth fruit. But it will not make us bad as it won't even grow in our hearts.
It is our hearts which are good or bad not religion. Holy Books only teach good not evil.
psychoslice
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Ah, thank you so much for those beautiful words loverofhumanity, they are very much appreciated, and you also have a wonderful Christmas, and a happy new year.