Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Rotten why?
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Is Richard Dawkins a good scientist?
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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Rotten why?
He doesn't signal when he turns.
If evolution is true then why do we still have people who don't use their turn signal?
Not only is Richard Dawkins a rotten person, but his rottenness proves that evolution is a lie.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
I don't see any indication of him being a bad scientist, however, I don't think he shows his best side when he talks about religion. Frankly I think he sounds bitter, annoying and intolerant, but that's my opinion. Religious people too can be like this, so don't think I let them off the hook.
I'd just rather people not try to interfere in others business all the time, especially if it's something very personal like belief. I don't like people imposing, regardless if atheist or religious.
I'd just rather people not try to interfere in others business all the time, especially if it's something very personal like belief. I don't like people imposing, regardless if atheist or religious.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I think you'll find that Richard Dawkins entirely agrees with you on that. He's never sought to "interfere" in other's business, he just hates it when people use religion to interfere in the lives of others or in the operation of society (which is constant). He's never really come off as intolerant or bitter in any essay or lecture I have read. What has he done or said specifically which makes you think that about him?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Source?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hi! I watched the interview on telly. Saw it all myself! That did it for me!
Mehdi Hasan wiped the floor with him, imo. One brilliant tv interviewer. The audience (mostly) showed utter embarrassment..
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It may not be quite as black and white for others?
Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins interview - YouTube
It may not be quite as black and white for others?
Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins interview - YouTube
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I'm still going to need a source. Can you at least give me a direct quote and some context?
Thankyou. Yeah, it's not quite what was quoted, and I think given Dawkins' actual argument and the interviewer's misquoting, straw-manning and emotional appeals (in this one extract, at least), I'm inclined to agree with him. An incendiary point perhaps, but not quite as sweeping as it's being made out to be.
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illykitty
RF's pet cat
Sorry I don't remember specific videos and such. I vaguely remember someone making a thread here on RF about him telling its ok to mock people's beliefs. Perhaps I have a false perception of him based on the few things I saw and read...
Some other people don't really like the way he does things too. So perhaps I have more of an issue with the way he does things rather than the person, who I don't personally know.
Perhaps he has good intentions but just comes off as rubbing the wrong way to some people?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
When it comes to negative views of religion, many people believe that making any statement at all rubs them up the wrong way. I simply find that a lot of the anger directed at Dawkins (from both theists and atheists) doesn't really come from any kind of understanding of his argument, but a shared mentality that religion is something that should not, in any way, be challenged. We've had people write and talk in far more inflammatory ways about politics, economics, medicine and crime, yet not receive half the derision that Dawkins receives for talking in a comparatively mild way about religion.Sorry I don't remember specific videos and such. I vaguely remember someone making a thread here on RF about him telling its ok to mock people's beliefs. Perhaps I have a false perception of him based on the few things I saw and read...
Some other people don't really like the way he does things too. So perhaps I have more of an issue with the way he does things rather than the person, who I don't personally know.
Perhaps he has good intentions but just comes off as rubbing the wrong way to some people?
I think that if anyone just takes religion down from it's pedestal and treats it as a subject as deserving and accepting of criticism as anything else, his arguments are perfectly reasonable and not really that derisory. It's just that, to many people, being negative about religion in and of itself is somehow "stepping over the line".
I thank and greatly respect you for your honesty.
[youtube]SPlqjziNFdA[/youtube]Sorry I don't remember specific videos and such. I vaguely remember someone making a thread here on RF about him telling its ok to mock people's beliefs. Perhaps I have a false perception of him based on the few things I saw and read...
Some other people don't really like the way he does things too. So perhaps I have more of an issue with the way he does things rather than the person, who I don't personally know.
Perhaps he has good intentions but just comes off as rubbing the wrong way to some people?
Richard Dawkins Mocks Religious and Ravi Zacharias Responds - YouTube
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
That was the one...... It was on Al Jaseera tv on freeview (UK) before Xmas 12'.
I wrote down the interviewer's name so I would not forget it. Dawkin's looked very very uncomfortable imo, and I note that the short video cut-off before the audience's vote.
One strong interviewer, that guy..........!
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
He's not especially charismatic. Good scientist, good writer, but not a natural speaker, and never really particularly comfortable looking in most of the interviews I've seen him in. He can probably evoke the Bones clause: "Dammit Jim, I'm a scientist not a spokesman!"
That's one word for him. I think he was a little dishonest.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I have got to admit... that I had never seen or listened to either before that interview. I did see the whole interview, which was very long imo, and Hasan did accept that he believed tenets and theological claims that Dawkins thought were absurd (right word?).
I do accept that some writers are unsure during interviews, and vice-versa. Dawkins never seems to do well during our Sunday morning tv chat-debates, either.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I think that in that interview he was being straw-manned and misrepresented. he made it quite clear that he was saying that the psychological scars from being told (as an impressionable youngster) that people you love are being tortured for all eternity is something that CAN BE harder to get over than physical abuse. He cited his source for this, but the interviewer still insisted on distorting his claim.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
What explains the abortion, murder rates, teen pregnancy rates, drug abuse, and lack of moral fortitude of the US today is the uncoupling of morality from its only sufficient foundation, God. We have killed God, and then wrested morality away from the corpse and placed it in the hands of the most corrupted species on Earth and then in our infinite wisdom claimed the sacred right to kill an innocent baby for a sin we committed, and call this garbage moral progress. No lion ever wanted to wipe out all the antelope or other lions on Earth. You can have it, I have a ticket out of this Godless loony bin. I said all this because your statements were almost not coherent enough to respond to.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Prove it.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
That's certainly one opinion.