Is Satan capable of good?

[Colt]

So that's all wrong. But there you go. It's 100% confirmed science fiction. Because they have the ability to be hyper-specific so you cannot say it isn't a translation issue. YET, not one word about actual cosmology that we didn't yet know and now do.
The evidence for the big bang is vast. I can't believe you are actually posting things that reference "Primary Master Force Organizers of Paradise " and are taking it serious. Yet there is not one scientific fact in there that we now know. Seriously all they would have needed to do is say, by the way, you haven't discovered it yet but protons and all those hadrons you are about to discover, are made of quarks. They could have explained the 4 types and charges. Also explained dark energy and dark matter.
It's totally sci-fi from an amiture.

The UB began coming through in 1911, and was finished in 1934, published in 55. There is extensive coverage of "dark matter" in space.

11:8.7 (126.3) 3. Postgravity Stages (Universe Power). In this stage, energy-matter discloses response to the control of linear gravity. In the central universe these physical systems are threefold organizations known as triata. They are the superpower mother systems of the creations of time and space. The physical systems of the superuniverses are mobilized by the Universe Power Directors and their associates. These material organizations are dual in constitution and are known as gravita. The dark gravity bodies encircling Havona are neither triata nor gravita, and their drawing power discloses both forms of physical gravity, linear and absolute.

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dark matter, a component of the universe whose presence is discerned from its gravitational attraction rather than its luminosity. Dark matter makes up 30.1 percent of the matter-energy composition of the universe; the rest is dark energy (69.4 percent) and “ordinary” visible matter (0.5 percent).
Originally known as the “missing mass,” dark matter’s existence was first inferred by Swiss American astronomer Fritz Zwicky, who in 1933 discovered that the mass of all the stars in the Coma cluster of galaxies provided only about 1 percent of the mass needed to keep the galaxies from escaping the cluster’s gravitational pull. The reality of this missing mass remained in question for decades, until the 1970s when American astronomers Vera Rubin and W. Kent Ford confirmed its existence by the observation of a similar phenomenon: the mass of the stars visible within a typical galaxy is only about 10 percent of that required to keep those stars orbiting the galaxy’s centre. In general, the speed with which stars orbit the centre of their galaxy is independent of their separation from the centre; indeed, orbital velocity is either constant or increases slightly with distance rather than dropping off as expected. To account for this, the mass of the galaxy within the orbit of the stars must increase linearly with the distance of the stars from the galaxy’s centre. However, no light is seen from this inner mass—hence the name “dark matter.”


Paper 11 - The Eternal Isle of Paradise
11:8:2 (125.5) The center and focal point of absolute material gravity is the Isle of Paradise, complemented by the dark gravity bodies encircling Havona and equilibrated by the upper and nether space reservoirs.


Paper 12 - The Universe of Universes
12:1:10 (129.8) This never-beginning, never-ending universe consists of one billion spheres of sublime perfection and is surrounded by the enormous dark gravity bodies. ... Owing to the enormous encircling masses of the dark gravity bodies about the fringe of the central universe, the mass content of this central creation is far in excess of the total known mass of all seven sectors of the grand universe.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:4:20 (158.1) On these worlds of divine perfection they perform the work indigenous to the normal conduct of this vast creation and, in addition, carry on the manifold tasks of teaching, training, and ministering to the enormous numbers of ascendant creatures who have climbed to glory from the dark worlds of space.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:4 (152.6) The semiquiet space zone separating the Havona circuits from the dark gravity bodies of the central universe.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:16 (153.7) The inner procession of dark gravity bodies is tubular in arrangement, consisting of three circular groupings. ... The outer circuit of dark gravity bodies is arranged perpendicularly, being ten thousand times higher than the inner circuit.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:18 (154.2) In our opinion, nothing like the dark gravity bodies of the central universe will characterize the future evolution of the outer space levels; we regard these alternate processions of stupendous gravity-balancing bodies as unique in the master universe.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:15 (153.6) The great belt of dark gravity bodies is divided into two equal elliptical circuits by a unique space intrusion. ... These alternate directions of motion, coupled with the extraordinary mass of the dark bodies, so effectively equalize the lines of Havona gravity as to render the central universe a physically balanced and perfectly stabilized creation.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:7 (152.9) The outer belt of dark gravity bodies, revolving clockwise around Paradise.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:12 (153.3) The Paradise-Havona standard day is based on the length of time required for the planetary abodes of the first or inner Havona circuit to complete one revolution around the Isle of Paradise; and though their velocity is enormous, owing to their situation between the dark gravity bodies and gigantic Paradise, it requires almost one thousand years for these spheres to complete their circuit.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:3:6 (156.3) Triata physical constitution, coupled with the balancing effect of the immense dark gravity bodies, makes it possible so perfectly to equalize the physical forces and so exquisitely to balance the various attractions of this tremendous creation.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:5 (152.7) The inner, counterclockwise-moving belt of the dark gravity bodies.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:6 (152.8) The second unique space zone dividing the two space paths of the dark gravity bodies.

 

[Colt]

So? The author made up dates for a character in a mythology where none of this information is known. If they bothered to figure out what day it falls on so what?
Here is a ton of science they got wrong. Much of it was popular at the time, just like all hoaxes the author assumes the science is correct but later it's debunked showing the book is a work.

It's even more damning that they gave dates. Hyper-accurate showing no reason they couldn;t say the trillionth digit of pi or any of the many many cosmological and physics discoveries made since then. They could have unified gravity with QM.
Also it's clear some other work was used for ideas, all signs of a made up hoax.

Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery​

Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery - Christian Research Institute

This review first appeared in the Christian Research Journal, volume 19, number 2 (Fall 1996). For more information about the Christian Research Journal, click here. Book review of Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery Martin Gardner (Prometheus Books, 1995) For several years, I’ve tried to read...

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Eventually, Gardner comes to the science of the UB. If the UB really were an extraterrestrial revelation, it should accurately describe our universe. It fails this test miserably. The UB claims the universe is over one trillion years old; most scientists date it at about 15 billion years (186). The temperature it assigns to the sun’s surface is off by thousands of degrees (190); it falsely says that Mercury keeps the same face towards the sun (196). The UB teaches that humans have 48 chromosomes; it should be 46 (217). Atoms supposedly cannot possess more than 100 electrons; this “limit” was broken in 1955, as any periodic table will confirm (214).

Once or twice Gardner slips up. The UB claims our solar system was formed with 12 planets, and Gardner notes the improbability of “three undiscovered planets beyond the orbits of Neptune and Pluto” (189). He apparently missed its statement that the fifth planet between Mars and Jupiter “fragmentized” and became the asteroid belt (UB, 658). This leaves two undiscovered planets, not three. He also refers to gamete reproduction as mitosis, instead of meiosis (217).

Like a good storyteller, Gardner saves the best for last. A lengthy chapter reveals scads of plagiarisms in the UB, originally discovered by Urantian believer Matthew Block. In 1992, Block wrote a paper on “bibliographic” sources used in the UB. The paper reveals shameless plagiarism of earlier works, sometimes word-for-word but more frequently thought-for-thought. Gardner develops these discoveries in parallel-column comparisons and points out that Seventh-day Adventist founder Ellen White had a bad problem with plagiarism (he devotes a full chapter to this), as did Sadler occasionally (290).




As pointed out by skeptic Martin Gardner, the science in The Urantia Book reflects some views that prevailed at the time the book originated.[101] The claim by the authors that no unknown scientific discoveries could be imparted can function as a ruse to allow mistakes to be dismissed later.[102] The appeal to convenience that post-1955 scientific knowledge is not being presented is consistent with a book written by humans in the 1950s instead of celestial beings with superior knowledge.[101]

Examples of criticisms regarding the science in The Urantia Book include:

• The described formation of the Solar System is consistent with the Chamberlin-Moulton planetesimal hypothesis,[103] which though popular in the early part of the 20th century, was discarded by the 1940s after major flaws were noted.[104] The currently accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the Solar System is based on the nebular hypothesis.[103]
• According to the book's descriptions, the universe is hundreds of billions of years old and periodically expands and contracts — "respires" — at 2-billion-year intervals. Recent observations measure the true age of the universe to be 13.8 billion years.[105] The book does not support the Big Bang theory.[106]
• A fundamental particle called an "ultimaton" is proposed, with an electron being composed of 100 ultimatons. The particle is not known to be described anywhere else and the concept is at odds with modern particle physics.[107]
• The Andromeda Galaxy is claimed to be "almost one million" light years away, repeating a systematic mistake in the measurements of the distance to galaxies made in the 1920s.[108] The galaxy is now known to be 2.5 million light years away.
• The book repeats the mistaken idea that planets close to a sun will gradually spin slower until one hemisphere is left always turned to the sun due to tidal locking, citing Mercury as an example. Scientists at the time of the book's origin thought one side of Mercury always faced the Sun, just as one side of the Moon always faces the Earth. In 1965, radio astronomers discovered however that Mercury rotates fast enough for all sides to see exposure to the Sun.[106] Scientists further established that Mercury is locked in this spin rate in a stable resonance of 3 spins for every 2 orbits, and it is not slowing and so will never have one side left always turned to the Sun.[109]
• Some species are said to have evolved suddenly from single mutations without transitional species.[110] The theory originated with Dutch botanist Hugo De Vries but was short-lived and is not now supported.[111]
• The book erroneously says that a solar eclipse was predicted in 1808 by the Native American prophet Tenskwatawa. The eclipse actually was predicted in late April 1806 and occurred on June 16, 1806.[112] In 2009, the Urantia Foundation acknowledged the error and revised the book.[c]
• Controversial statements about human races can be found in the book.[114] Gardner recounts that William S. Sadler also wrote eugenicist works that contain similar arguments to some ideas presented in

Response to Martin Gardner's Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery

Blue jets shooting up out of storm clouds.

In discussing earth’s atmosphere, The Urantia Book states the following, “The lower five or six miles of the earth’s atmosphere is the troposphere; this is the region of winds and air currents which provide weather phenomena. Above this region is the inner ionosphere and next above is the stratosphere.” Urantia Book enthusiasts and critics alike have long considered this statement to be a mistake because the longstanding understanding of the earth’s atmosphere has been that the ionosphere exists above the stratosphere. However, in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s, over thirty years after The Urantia Book’s publication, observation of “blue jets” were conclusively documented and accepted as an atmospheric condition. Notwithstanding that this phenomenon is still not well understood, what has been learned about blue jets indicates that there must be an ionospheric layer below the stratosphere. Blue jets form above thunderclouds and often reach a height of about 25 miles above sea level. The long-recognized ionosphere, which exists above the stratosphere, begins at around 30 miles above sea level. Calculations based on videos taken of blue jets, as well as other associated research, indicate that the ionic condition necessary to create their luminescent quality could not have its source in the thunderclouds over which they occur.

 

[Ebionite]

You are saying that is why Mark wrote his Gospel?

No, it's possible that bias was applied by a compiler or redactor, assuming that the original writer as honest.

 

[joelr]

The UB began coming through in 1911, and was finished in 1934, published in 55. There is extensive coverage of "dark matter" in space.

11:8.7 (126.3) 3. Postgravity Stages (Universe Power). In this stage, energy-matter discloses response to the control of linear gravity. In the central universe these physical systems are threefold organizations known as triata. They are the superpower mother systems of the creations of time and space. The physical systems of the superuniverses are mobilized by the Universe Power Directors and their associates. These material organizations are dual in constitution and are known as gravita. The dark gravity bodies encircling Havona are neither triata nor gravita, and their drawing power discloses both forms of physical gravity, linear and absolute.

​

How is that dark matter? What is "energy-matter"? Matter is a blanket term? Postgravity stages? What is a stage?
Dark matter does not create time and space. It says nothing here about dark matter? It's a sci-fi concept. There are not 2 forms of gravity.
Linear gravity? This is all made up.

​

Paper 11 - The Eternal Isle of Paradise
11:8:2 (125.5) The center and focal point of absolute material gravity is the Isle of Paradise, complemented by the dark gravity bodies encircling Havona and equilibrated by the upper and nether space reservoirs.

focal point of gravity? Sci-fi.

Paper 12 - The Universe of Universes
12:1:10 (129.8) This never-beginning, never-ending universe consists of one billion spheres of sublime perfection and is surrounded by the enormous dark gravity bodies. ... Owing to the enormous encircling masses of the dark gravity bodies about the fringe of the central universe, the mass content of this central creation is far in excess of the total known mass of all seven sectors of the grand universe.

Black holes were not popular yet. This gravitational situation would seem to require a black hole. But the writer didn't know what they were.

Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:4:20 (158.1) On these worlds of divine perfection they perform the work indigenous to the normal conduct of this vast creation and, in addition, carry on the manifold tasks of teaching, training, and ministering to the enormous numbers of ascendant creatures who have climbed to glory from the dark worlds of space.

Still no explanation of how to quantize gravity. Or any quantum mechanics.

Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:4 (152.6) The semiquiet space zone separating the Havona circuits from the dark gravity bodies of the central universe.

Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:16 (153.7) The inner procession of dark gravity bodies is tubular in arrangement, consisting of three circular groupings. ... The outer circuit of dark gravity bodies is arranged perpendicularly, being ten thousand times higher than the inner circuit.

wut?

Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:18 (154.2) In our opinion, nothing like the dark gravity bodies of the central universe will characterize the future evolution of the outer space levels; we regard these alternate processions of stupendous gravity-balancing bodies as unique in the master universe.

so much nonsense?

Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:15 (153.6) The great belt of dark gravity bodies is divided into two equal elliptical circuits by a unique space intrusion. ... These alternate directions of motion, coupled with the extraordinary mass of the dark bodies, so effectively equalize the lines of Havona gravity as to render the central universe a physically balanced and perfectly stabilized creation.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:7 (152.9) The outer belt of dark gravity bodies, revolving clockwise around Paradise.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:12 (153.3) The Paradise-Havona standard day is based on the length of time required for the planetary abodes of the first or inner Havona circuit to complete one revolution around the Isle of Paradise; and though their velocity is enormous, owing to their situation between the dark gravity bodies and gigantic Paradise, it requires almost one thousand years for these spheres to complete their circuit.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:3:6 (156.3) Triata physical constitution, coupled with the balancing effect of the immense dark gravity bodies, makes it possible so perfectly to equalize the physical forces and so exquisitely to balance the various attractions of this tremendous creation.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:5 (152.7) The inner, counterclockwise-moving belt of the dark gravity bodies.


Paper 14 - The Central and Divine Universe
14:1:6 (152.8) The second unique space zone dividing the two space paths of the dark gravity bodies.

All this and they cannot give one single equation to forward our physics , give a digit of pi, anything. It is a coincidence all that is given by super advanced beings are words that sound suspiciously like made up sci-fi?


And you did not comment on the mistakes I presented. Are we to ignore mistakes when they come up?

Paper 62 – The Dawn Races of Early Man​

Paper 62 – The Dawn Races of Early Man

P.703 – §1 About one million years ago the immediate ancestors of mankind made their appearance by three successive and sudden mutations stemming from early stock of the lemur type of pl…

encyclopediaurantia.org

This book is full of mistakes. This science on early man is completely wrong. Back then they did not have all the intermediate Hominid species. This is some guy writing a hoax. They claim to know hominid evolution but still cannot give some updates on physics????????????? NOPE.

 

[joelr]

Response to Martin Gardner's Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery

Blue jets shooting up out of storm clouds.

In discussing earth’s atmosphere, The Urantia Book states the following, “The lower five or six miles of the earth’s atmosphere is the troposphere; this is the region of winds and air currents which provide weather phenomena. Above this region is the inner ionosphere and next above is the stratosphere.” Urantia Book enthusiasts and critics alike have long considered this statement to be a mistake because the longstanding understanding of the earth’s atmosphere has been that the ionosphere exists above the stratosphere. However, in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s, over thirty years after The Urantia Book’s publication, observation of “blue jets” were conclusively documented and accepted as an atmospheric condition. Notwithstanding that this phenomenon is still not well understood, what has been learned about blue jets indicates that there must be an ionospheric layer below the stratosphere. Blue jets form above thunderclouds and often reach a height of about 25 miles above sea level. The long-recognized ionosphere, which exists above the stratosphere, begins at around 30 miles above sea level. Calculations based on videos taken of blue jets, as well as other associated research, indicate that the ionic condition necessary to create their luminescent quality could not have its source in the thunderclouds over which they occur.

That is hardly proof, especially given the errors and lack of actual information that an actual alien could give.

But even that atmosphere proof strikes doubt among some:
Here's an example: Matthew Block did a detailed analysis of "The Urantia Atmosphere" (58:2) and its use of Harlan Stetson's 1942 article (See http://www.squarecircles.com/urantiabooksourcestudies/pdf/TheUrantiaAtmosphere.pdf). Incidentally, that's a late date for the Revelators to be concerned about shoehorning spiritually inconsequential details about the atmosphere into the UB. But Block noticed a detail added by the UB, not found in Stetson: the "inner ionosphere." Moreover, this addition appears to be factually incorrect. There is no inner ionosphere, as far as anyone knows. Now before you all start clicking your mouses, I'm well aware of the UBTheNews article trumpeting the confirmation of "blue jets" as a confirmation of this deviation from the Stetson script, I'll just say that I'm not convinced at all. The various "spheres" are just that, stable spherical layers in the atmosphere. Blue jets are rare and transient ionic phenomena of unknown cause. They are very far from evidence of an inner ionosphere. So until someone provides a substantive reason to think there's an inner ionosphere, I consider this an error. But it's a puzzling one, since it could have been avoided by not adding to the Stetson source. I can't think of it as an error of carelessness, since it takes positive effort to think of something and add it to what a source has to say. So I don't have a good error theory, and that bothers me.

Matthew Block's The Sadler Project - page 60 | Urantia Book Forum |

forum.truthbook.com

 

[joelr]

No, it's possible that bias was applied by a compiler or redactor, assuming that the original writer as honest.

You don't think Mark was the original? He's using rewrites of Elija, Psalms, Romulus, the Hero myth, Pauls letters, Jesus Ben Ananias, Homer and Greek theology. What evidence do you have there were other sources?

The canon is considered a response to the 1st offical canon, the Marcionite canon. You think Marcionites Gospel was the honest truth?
I think it was Gnostic?

 

[Colt]

How is that dark matter? What is "energy-matter"? Matter is a blanket term? Postgravity stages? What is a stage?
Dark matter does not create time and space. It says nothing here about dark matter? It's a sci-fi concept. There are not 2 forms of gravity.
Linear gravity? This is all made up.







focal point of gravity? Sci-fi.








Black holes were not popular yet. This gravitational situation would seem to require a black hole. But the writer didn't know what they were.




Still no explanation of how to quantize gravity. Or any quantum mechanics.














wut?




so much nonsense?



All this and they cannot give one single equation to forward our physics , give a digit of pi, anything. It is a coincidence all that is given by super advanced beings are words that sound suspiciously like made up sci-fi?


And you did not comment on the mistakes I presented. Are we to ignore mistakes when they come up?

Paper 62 – The Dawn Races of Early Man​

Paper 62 – The Dawn Races of Early Man

P.703 – §1 About one million years ago the immediate ancestors of mankind made their appearance by three successive and sudden mutations stemming from early stock of the lemur type of pl…

encyclopediaurantia.org

This book is full of mistakes. This science on early man is completely wrong. Back then they did not have all the intermediate Hominid species. This is some guy writing a hoax. They claim to know hominid evolution but still cannot give some updates on physics????????????? NOPE.

1. Paradise Forces and Energies​

42:1.1 (467.3) The foundation of the universe is material, but the essence of life is spirit. The Father of spirits is also the ancestor of universes; the eternal Father of the Original Son is also the eternity-source of the original pattern, the Isle of Paradise.

42:1.2 (467.4) Matter—energy—for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality, as a universe phenomenon is inherent in the Universal Father. “In him all things consist.” Matter may appear to manifest inherent energy and to exhibit self-contained powers, but the lines of gravity involved in the energies concerned in all these physical phenomena are derived from, and are dependent on, Paradise. The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.

42:1.3 (467.5) There is innate in matter and present in universal space a form of energy not known on Urantia. When this discovery is finally made, then will physicists feel that they have solved, almost at least, the mystery of matter. And so will they have approached one step nearer the Creator; so will they have mastered one more phase of the divine technique; but in no sense will they have found God, neither will they have established the existence of matter or the operation of natural laws apart from the cosmic technique of Paradise and the motivating purpose of the Universal Father.

42:1.4 (468.1) Subsequent to even still greater progress and further discoveries, after Urantia has advanced immeasurably in comparison with present knowledge, though you should gain control of the energy revolutions of the electrical units of matter to the extent of modifying their physical manifestations—even after all such possible progress, forever will scientists be powerless to create one atom of matter or to originate one flash of energy or ever to add to matter that which we call life.

42:1.5 (468.2) The creation of energy and the bestowal of life are the prerogatives of the Universal Father and his associate Creator personalities. The river of energy and life is a continuous outpouring from the Deities, the universal and united stream of Paradise force going forth to all space. This divine energy pervades all creation. The force organizers initiate those changes and institute those modifications of space-force which eventuate in energy; the power directors transmute energy into matter; thus the material worlds are born. The Life Carriers initiate those processes in dead matter which we call life, material life. The Morontia Power Supervisors likewise perform throughout the transition realms between the material and the spiritual worlds. The higher spirit Creators inaugurate similar processes in divine forms of energy, and there ensue the higher spirit forms of intelligent life.

42:1.6 (468.3) Energy proceeds from Paradise, fashioned after the divine order. Energy—pure energy—partakes of the nature of the divine organization; it is fashioned after the similitude of the three Gods embraced in one, as they function at the headquarters of the universe of universes. And all force is circuited in Paradise, comes from the Paradise Presences and returns thereto, and is in essence a manifestation of the uncaused Cause—the Universal Father; and without the Father would not anything exist that does exist.

42:1.7 (468.4) Force derived from self-existent Deity is in itself ever existent. Force-energy is imperishable, indestructible; these manifestations of the Infinite may be subject to unlimited transmutation, endless transformation, and eternal metamorphosis; but in no sense or degree, not even to the slightest imaginable extent, could they or ever shall they suffer extinction. But energy, though springing from the Infinite, is not infinitely manifest; there are outer limits to the presently conceived master universe.

42:1.8 (468.5) Energy is eternal but not infinite; it ever responds to the all-embracing grasp of Infinity. Forever force and energy go on; having gone out from Paradise, they must return thereto, even if age upon age be required for the completion of the ordained circuit. That which is of Paradise Deity origin can have only a Paradise destination or a Deity destiny.

42:1.9 (468.6) And all this confirms our belief in a circular, somewhat limited, but orderly and far-flung universe of universes. If this were not true, then evidence of energy depletion at some point would sooner or later appear. All laws, organizations, administration, and the testimony of universe explorers—everything points to the existence of an infinite God but, as yet, a finite universe, a circularity of endless existence, well-nigh limitless but, nevertheless, finite in contrast with infinity." UB 1955 IMOP

 

[Colt]

That is hardly proof, especially given the errors and lack of actual information that an actual alien could give.

But even that atmosphere proof strikes doubt among some:
Here's an example: Matthew Block did a detailed analysis of "The Urantia Atmosphere" (58:2) and its use of Harlan Stetson's 1942 article (See http://www.squarecircles.com/urantiabooksourcestudies/pdf/TheUrantiaAtmosphere.pdf). Incidentally, that's a late date for the Revelators to be concerned about shoehorning spiritually inconsequential details about the atmosphere into the UB. But Block noticed a detail added by the UB, not found in Stetson: the "inner ionosphere." Moreover, this addition appears to be factually incorrect. There is no inner ionosphere, as far as anyone knows. Now before you all start clicking your mouses, I'm well aware of the UBTheNews article trumpeting the confirmation of "blue jets" as a confirmation of this deviation from the Stetson script, I'll just say that I'm not convinced at all. The various "spheres" are just that, stable spherical layers in the atmosphere. Blue jets are rare and transient ionic phenomena of unknown cause. They are very far from evidence of an inner ionosphere. So until someone provides a substantive reason to think there's an inner ionosphere, I consider this an error. But it's a puzzling one, since it could have been avoided by not adding to the Stetson source. I can't think of it as an error of carelessness, since it takes positive effort to think of something and add it to what a source has to say. So I don't have a good error theory, and that bothers me.

Matthew Block's The Sadler Project - page 60 | Urantia Book Forum |

forum.truthbook.com

BTW, I know Mattew Block, he's a life long reader. He and his friend Saskia run the site SquareCircles - Urantia Book Sources and Resources Matthew began digging up source material long ago based on the fact that the revelators say from the outset that they used 1000 humans sources in the compellation of their revelation.

Acknowledgment

0:12.11 (16.8) In formulating the succeeding presentations having to do with the portrayal of the character of the Universal Father and the nature of his Paradise associates, together with an attempted description of the perfect central universe and the encircling seven superuniverses, we are to be guided by the mandate of the superuniverse rulers which directs that we shall, in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind.

0:12.12 (17.1) Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.

0:12.13 (17.2) We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience—God-consciousness.

0:12.14 (17.3) [Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]

 

[joelr]

1. Paradise Forces and Energies​

42:1.1 (467.3) The foundation of the universe is material, but the essence of life is spirit. The Father of spirits is also the ancestor of universes; the eternal Father of the Original Son is also the eternity-source of the original pattern, the Isle of Paradise.

42:1.2 (467.4) Matter—energy—for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality, as a universe phenomenon is inherent in the Universal Father. “In him all things consist.” Matter may appear to manifest inherent energy and to exhibit self-contained powers, but the lines of gravity involved in the energies concerned in all these physical phenomena are derived from, and are dependent on, Paradise. The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.

42:1.3 (467.5) There is innate in matter and present in universal space a form of energy not known on Urantia. When this discovery is finally made, then will physicists feel that they have solved, almost at least, the mystery of matter. And so will they have approached one step nearer the Creator; so will they have mastered one more phase of the divine technique; but in no sense will they have found God, neither will they have established the existence of matter or the operation of natural laws apart from the cosmic technique of Paradise and the motivating purpose of the Universal Father.

42:1.4 (468.1) Subsequent to even still greater progress and further discoveries, after Urantia has advanced immeasurably in comparison with present knowledge, though you should gain control of the energy revolutions of the electrical units of matter to the extent of modifying their physical manifestations—even after all such possible progress, forever will scientists be powerless to create one atom of matter or to originate one flash of energy or ever to add to matter that which we call life.

42:1.5 (468.2) The creation of energy and the bestowal of life are the prerogatives of the Universal Father and his associate Creator personalities. The river of energy and life is a continuous outpouring from the Deities, the universal and united stream of Paradise force going forth to all space. This divine energy pervades all creation. The force organizers initiate those changes and institute those modifications of space-force which eventuate in energy; the power directors transmute energy into matter; thus the material worlds are born. The Life Carriers initiate those processes in dead matter which we call life, material life. The Morontia Power Supervisors likewise perform throughout the transition realms between the material and the spiritual worlds. The higher spirit Creators inaugurate similar processes in divine forms of energy, and there ensue the higher spirit forms of intelligent life.

42:1.6 (468.3) Energy proceeds from Paradise, fashioned after the divine order. Energy—pure energy—partakes of the nature of the divine organization; it is fashioned after the similitude of the three Gods embraced in one, as they function at the headquarters of the universe of universes. And all force is circuited in Paradise, comes from the Paradise Presences and returns thereto, and is in essence a manifestation of the uncaused Cause—the Universal Father; and without the Father would not anything exist that does exist.

42:1.7 (468.4) Force derived from self-existent Deity is in itself ever existent. Force-energy is imperishable, indestructible; these manifestations of the Infinite may be subject to unlimited transmutation, endless transformation, and eternal metamorphosis; but in no sense or degree, not even to the slightest imaginable extent, could they or ever shall they suffer extinction. But energy, though springing from the Infinite, is not infinitely manifest; there are outer limits to the presently conceived master universe.

42:1.8 (468.5) Energy is eternal but not infinite; it ever responds to the all-embracing grasp of Infinity. Forever force and energy go on; having gone out from Paradise, they must return thereto, even if age upon age be required for the completion of the ordained circuit. That which is of Paradise Deity origin can have only a Paradise destination or a Deity destiny.

42:1.9 (468.6) And all this confirms our belief in a circular, somewhat limited, but orderly and far-flung universe of universes. If this were not true, then evidence of energy depletion at some point would sooner or later appear. All laws, organizations, administration, and the testimony of universe explorers—everything points to the existence of an infinite God but, as yet, a finite universe, a circularity of endless existence, well-nigh limitless but, nevertheless, finite in contrast with infinity." UB 1955 IMOP

Exactly, all made up wu. No science, nothing to add on to our knowledge. This is typical "channeled" information. Bashar reads just like this. So does Abraham. They avoid answering any real questions about something we actually need to know and give a bunch of nonsense.
Again, they could have simply unified gravity with QM, talked about quarks or any physics. This author didn't even bother to get up to speed on current physics for that time.

 

[joelr]

BTW, I know Mattew Block, he's a life long reader. He and his friend Saskia run the site SquareCircles - Urantia Book Sources and Resources Matthew began digging up source material long ago based on the fact that the revelators say from the outset that they used 1000 humans sources in the compellation of their revelation.

Acknowledgment

0:12.11 (16.8) In formulating the succeeding presentations having to do with the portrayal of the character of the Universal Father and the nature of his Paradise associates, together with an attempted description of the perfect central universe and the encircling seven superuniverses, we are to be guided by the mandate of the superuniverse rulers which directs that we shall, in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind.

0:12.12 (17.1) Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.

0:12.13 (17.2) We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience—God-consciousness.

0:12.14 (17.3) [Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]

Talks about God, yet gives no proofs of God, no advanced theology, just new age fluff and sci-fi. This is before the computer age but an advanced race obviously would have invented computers and A.I. and that would also be a big thing.
Nothing in here is evidence.

 

[Colt]

Talks about God, yet gives no proofs of God, no advanced theology, just new age fluff and sci-fi. This is before the computer age but an advanced race obviously would have invented computers and A.I. and that would also be a big thing.
Nothing in here is evidence.

There is no absolute proof of God. Even Lucifer lost his faith in the unseen Universal Father.

 

[wellwisher]

Is Satan capable of doing something that ends up good, and is God capable of doing something that results in bad?

Satan is connected to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Satan is both good and evil. He is part of a polarization of opposites, that always appears in pairs, like the north and south poles of a magnet. There is no such thing as a magnetic monopole in physics. Magnets always have both poles. Like the magnet there is no just good. Jesus is portrayed as good but he is part of a larger polar pair connected to heaven; good, and hell; evil.

Satan can do good. However, the good done by Satan is complemented by evil and vice versa. If I say Satan can heal the implied opposite is he can also kill. If I say Satan can steal, the opposite good is he can also share. This is part of a differential POV connected to the left brain and ego. This reminds you of the God of the Old Testament, who was a paradox of good and evil.

God is morally neutral and is beyond good and evil. Good and evil is a human value judgment that is run by Satan; differential knowledge of good and evil. Morally neural does not value judge but sees things as intended. Like in calculus, differentiation is the slope of a curve at any given point. It takes two points to draw a tangent line for the slope. Integration is the area under the curve from A to B, which is inclusive and integrated; eco-system.

If there is a hurricane, at an integrated level this is about restoring balance to the earth. It is part of a larger integration of the solar and earth interaction. Humans through knowledge of good and evil will try to isolated this; differentiate a slope, and value judge this event, as good or evil, based on how the ego feels affected, personally, or through fake news selling fear; dark side of the Satan polarization.

Manmade climate change is about the slope of a curve; CO2. It is not about an integrated model of the earth that includes the sun and core of the earth and all between. The CO2 model is more from the Satan subroutine. Since they preach doom and gloom, the implied opposite of Satan, would be the good side of climate change, such as more habitable and farmable land, with more rain for the crops to feed the larger population; warmer earth. This side is repressed; cannot integrate, so the doom and gloom side of Satan can lead at a point/slope.

 

[joelr]

There is no absolute proof of God. Even Lucifer lost his faith in the unseen Universal Father.

That is a strawman. I never asked for proof of God. I asked for proof that this text is really from who it claims. We would know because their science and math would be advanced and they would know everything we knew plus more. They could see where we were at and give up a few science tips, just to show this isn't bogus.
A digit in pi.
Quarks.
Hadrons are all quarks. Neutron stars, black holes, age of the universe, more about the big bang, math, cosmology, unify gravity, what is time, so many things. A.I., what math do they use? What number system? How do they count, what base?

None of that is about proving God.

 

[Colt]

That is a strawman. I never asked for proof of God. I asked for proof that this text is really from who it claims. We would know because their science and math would be advanced and they would know everything we knew plus more. They could see where we were at and give up a few science tips, just to show this isn't bogus.
A digit in pi.
Quarks.
Hadrons are all quarks. Neutron stars, black holes, age of the universe, more about the big bang, math, cosmology, unify gravity, what is time, so many things. A.I., what math do they use? What number system? How do they count, what base?

None of that is about proving God.

Did we know in the early 1900's that Neanderthals dominated Europe for 500,000 years and mixed with humans? Domestication of the horse at least 8000 years earlier than known at the time? Pottery? etc

 

[joelr]

Did we know in the early 1900's that Neanderthals dominated Europe for 500,000 years and mixed with humans? Domestication of the horse at least 8000 years earlier than known at the time? Pottery? etc

Yes, Neanderthanls were discovered in 1829. Further work continued since that time.
Domestication of animals is in the Bible and historical information about ancient humans riding horses is known.
But when you say "Domestication of the horse at least 8000 years earlier " I wonder if that is a direct quote from their propaganda because horses were domesticated only 6000 years ago.

 

[Colt]

Yes, Neanderthanls were discovered in 1829. Further work continued since that time.
Domestication of animals is in the Bible and historical information about ancient humans riding horses is known.
But when you say "Domestication of the horse at least 8000 years earlier " I wonder if that is a direct quote from their propaganda because horses were domesticated only 6000 years ago.

AP

We carry DNA from extinct cousins like Neanderthals. Science is now revealing their genetic legacy​

Story by By LAURA UNGAR and MADDIE BURAKOFF, AP Science Writers •9h

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Urantia Book 1911-1934, printed 1955.

Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:7:10 (727.7) In general and to start with, the Sangik tribes were more intelligent than, and in most ways far superior to, the deteriorated descendants of the early Andonic plainsmen; and the mingling of these Sangik tribes with the Neanderthal peoples led to the immediate improvement of the older race. It was this infusion of Sangik blood, more especially that of the blue man, which produced that marked improvement in the Neanderthal peoples exhibited by the successive waves of increasingly intelligent tribes that swept over Europe from the east.


Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:3:5 (720.6) And the mixed descendants of this improved Badonite stock appeared on the stage of action as an apparently new people—the Neanderthal race.


Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:7:11 (727.8) During the following interglacial period this new Neanderthal race extended from England to India.


Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:4:11 (721.9) These times of the fourth and fifth glaciers witnessed the further spread of the crude culture of the Neanderthal races.


Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:4:3 (721.1) The reindeer was highly useful to these Neanderthal peoples, serving as food, clothing, and for tools, since they made various uses of the horns and bones.


Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:4:1 (720.7) The Neanderthalers were excellent fighters, and they traveled extensively.


Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color
64:7:9 (727.6) In Europe they soon encountered the Neanderthal descendants of their early and common ancestor, Andon.


Paper 78 - The Violet Race After the Days of Adam
78:1:8 (869.4) Neanderthal absorption had greatly retarded the culture of the blue man, but he was otherwise the most aggressive, adventurous, and exploratory of all the evolutionary peoples of Eurasia.


Paper 79 - Andite Expansion in the Orient
79:5:2 (883.3) The inferior Neanderthal strains were destroyed or driven off the mainland by the later migrating yellow tribes.


Paper 79 - Andite Expansion in the Orient
79:5:1 (883.2) These two races largely escaped that admixture with the debased Neanderthal strain which so greatly retarded the blue man in Europe, thus preserving the superior potential of the primary Sangik type.


Paper 80 - Andite Expansion in the Occident
80:1:7 (890.3) Slowly these migrating sons of Eden united with the higher types of the blue race, invigorating their cultural practices while ruthlessly exterminating the lingering strains of Neanderthal stock.

 

[metis]

Our genetic testing showed that my wife has genetically 4% Neanderthal and 0% for me. That explains why I always have to run!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Our genetic testing showed that my wife has genetically 4% Neanderthal and 0% for me. That explains why I always have to run!

Newer research has shown people of a Eurasain mostly have about 1-2% Neanderthal DNA.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Our genetic testing showed that my wife has genetically 4% Neanderthal and 0% for me. That explains why I always have to run!

A cool thing I read with the newer research, they discovered previously undiscovered ancestors in our DNA that haven't been discovered as fossils.

 

[Ebionite]

This reminds you of the God of the Old Testament, who was a paradox of good and evil.

Creating evil isn't the same as being evil. Evil is part of our reality, we have the ability to embrace it or to reject it.