Is Science Compatible with Mysticism?

[godnotgod]

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[propheticeve]

Do you think science is compatible with mysticism? Why or why not?

Do science and mysticism have anything in common? If so, what?

WOW! This can potentially turn into books and lengthy essays. To keep things brief for now, um, yes, science and mysticism are simply two ways to two different realms of truth. Mysticism is a series of experiments that can be conducted in more controlled and meticulous ways but not as strictly so as science. Mysticism has many variants and branches, some can be defined as types of science. It can also be an addition to science or any other discipline, as a "mystical element". Therefore, science is compatible with mysticism, each informs the other and this is the most beneficial way of using both disciplines to further human development. Love and blessings!

 

[godnotgod]

Here's a question:

Materialists say that the brain creates the mind and consciousness. They say that all our emotions, thoughts, etc. are created by the brain, including notions and 'experiences' of God. In other words, 'God' is a delusion of the mind-brain. But these same materialists totally rely on Reason and Logic, which are also products of the brain. How can they simultaneously rely on the brain for their Science while dismissing it as the same organ which creates the God delusion?

If we were dealing with a computer, we might determine it as faulty. However, the hardware may be just fine, but used incorrectly. It may not be, as most people believe, to be the center of consciousness, but simply a tool that consciousness uses, meaning that consciousness is not localized within the brain, just as the consciousness that uses a computer is not within the computer itself.

 

[idav]

Here's a question:

Materialists say that the brain creates the mind and consciousness. They say that all our emotions, thoughts, etc. are created by the brain, including notions and 'experiences' of God. In other words, 'God' is a delusion of the mind-brain. But these same materialists totally rely on Reason and Logic, which are also products of the brain. How can they simultaneously rely on the brain for their Science while dismissing it as the same organ which creates the God delusion?

We know that there is more to the material world than what we perceive, in fact we are mostly empty space as are atoms. There is enough going on at the atomic level that we don't need anything more than the standard model to build life.

If we were dealing with a computer, we might determine it as faulty. However, the hardware may be just fine, but used incorrectly. It may not be, as most people believe, to be the center of consciousness, but simply a tool that consciousness uses, meaning that consciousness is not localized within the brain, just as the consciousness that uses a computer is not within the computer itself.

What your describing is like we have some sort of cloud drive saving our memories. I have reason to believe that once you experience something locally it then gets stored locally and processed locally.

 

[godnotgod]

We know that there is more to the material world than what we perceive, in fact we are mostly empty space as are atoms. There is enough going on at the atomic level that we don't need anything more than the standard model to build life.

I think that's an answer to another question. I was saying that the brain the materialists say creates the illusion of a God, is also the same brain they use for science.

]What your describing is like we have some sort of cloud drive saving our memories. I have reason to believe that once you experience something locally it then gets stored locally and processed locally.

Yes, but via non-local consciousness. IOW, consciousness uses the brain to store processes, such as heart beat, breathing, digestion, experiences, etc. instead of having them held up front all the time as they would then be in the way, so to speak, of what consciousness is really trying to focus on, which is what is currently going on in the present moment. The cloud drive is not the identity you think you are. That identity comes about via your social indoctrination after birth. But that goes away upon your death. The cloud drive is who you really are, which has no birth and no death. So when 'you' die (that is, your temporal identity) you just 'return to where you've always been', as Deepak Chopra puts it. The self of your temporal identity is fictional.

 

[Sculelos]

Yes, but via non-local consciousness. IOW, consciousness uses the brain to store processes, such as heart beat, breathing, digestion, experiences, etc. instead of having them held up front all the time as they would then be in the way, so to speak, of what consciousness is really trying to focus on, which is what is currently going on in the present moment. The cloud drive is not the identity you think you are. That identity comes about via your social indoctrination after birth. But that goes away upon your death. The cloud drive is who you really are, which has no birth and no death. So when 'you' die (that is, your temporal identity) you just 'return to where you've always been', as Deepak Chopra puts it. The self of your temporal identity is fictional.

The energy that which is you is struggling to find it's identity. Do you want to die in love, or do you want to die in hate. That which is you, has only one chance, you must based on what you know always follow what you think is truth. No matter the cost, no matter what's lost, no matter the price seek truth and do in your heart of hearts what you know is right.

 

[godnotgod]

The energy that which is you is struggling to find it's identity. Do you want to die in love, or do you want to die in hate. That which is you, has only one chance, you must based on what you know always follow what you think is truth. No matter the cost, no matter what's lost, no matter the price seek truth and do in your heart of hearts what you know is right.

Perhaps if you stop your struggling and kicking up all the love/hate mud from the bottom of the pond, the mud will settle of its own accord so that you will have a clear view all the way to the bottom. When your vision at last becomes clear, you will then, and only then, have the ability to see who and what you really are beyond the shadow of a doubt.

 

[Sculelos]

Perhaps if you stop your struggling and kicking up all the love/hate mud from the bottom of the pond, the mud will settle of its own accord so that you will have a clear view all the way to the bottom. When your vision at last becomes clear, you will then, and only then, have the ability to see who and what you really are beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Yep, after you have done enough. You will drown. And then be raised up again and judged on how you struggled.

 

[godnotgod]

Yep, after you have done enough. You will drown. And then be raised up again and judged on how you struggled.

That would be true only if a self exists that struggled. Where is the struggler? Where is the self that drowns, that is judged?