Is The Best Evidence For God Father Time?

[james bond]

Apparently, you don't even understand the rules of the game. Pigeon chess is so popular these days.

Heh. I stuck you out and now you want to play stupid atheist pigeon chess.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Heh. I stuck you out and now you want to play stupid atheist pigeon chess.

Your humor is as elevated as your argumentation and spelling.

 

[james bond]

I think your definition of 'evidence' is where we differ.

Maybe you'll like Dr. Craig's video better, which I have posted before.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Common sense tells me that a Creator God exists. The Bible fills in everything else.

What about the Hindu Vedas? Or the Norse Prose Edda? What makes them any less valid than the Bible?

 

[DavidFirth]

What about the Hindu Vedas? Or the Norse Prose Edda? What makes them any less valid than the Bible?

Simple. Truth.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Simple. Truth.

And how exactly have you determined that one is true and the others are not?

 

[DavidFirth]

And how exactly have you determined that one is true and the others are not?

Seek the truth and you will find it.

You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So who is Father Time? It's part of a dimension of spacetime. It can slow down as we approach the event horizon.

I would talk about Mother Nature, but the atheists seemd to have claimed her already.

So which came into existence first, Father or Mother?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Maybe you'll like Dr. Craig's video better, which I have posted before.

I've listened to quite a bit of Craig over the years, actually. But that argument is (as you probably know) far older than Craig.

At the risk of heading off topic, the arguments against it are equally old.

'A finite effect can give only a finite cause, or at most an infinite series of such causes. To finish the series at a certain point, and to elevate one member of the series to the dignity of an un-caused first cause, is to set at naught the very law of causation on which the whole argument proceeds.'

Muhammed Iqbal

 

[QuestioningMind]

Seek the truth and you will find it.

You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

That's not an answer. How did you determine that the truth is found in one religious text and not in others?

 

[DavidFirth]

That's not an answer. How did you determine that the truth is found in one religious text and not in others?

I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me.

 

[MJFlores]

I had the time of my life.

 

[james bond]

I've listened to quite a bit of Craig over the years, actually. But that argument is (as you probably know) far older than Craig.

At the risk of heading off topic, the arguments against it are equally old.

'A finite effect can give only a finite cause, or at most an infinite series of such causes. To finish the series at a certain point, and to elevate one member of the series to the dignity of an un-caused first cause, is to set at naught the very law of causation on which the whole argument proceeds.'

Muhammed Iqbal

Just how old is old? I don't think WLC's arguments are old. This is a fairly recent video and it supports what I have been saying about God and time. It's part of philosophy which religious thinkers in the past whom I have listed have been arguing and they reached conclusions.

I get the feeling you're older than me. Does that mean that something old is wrong?

And just what does your quote address?

I provide good evidence, but you do not accept it; It doesn't move you to discover for yourself. What I have done is moved forward in a specific direction like the balloon the boy released, which supposedly went straight up. OTOH, you still await the evidence. I suppose you're still standing where you started in terms of God. And this is what I've been saying about that. You reap what you sew. What you believe or not believe will be what you'll have to deal with in the next life. This Muhammed Iqball is one of those who will help you when you need to find your way. That's why the video and I ask, is this all there is and all that there will be? Life is very short, so if this is all there is, then you should do more than just stand there and await the evidence on RF ha ha.

I thought differently from you when I was going to Cal. A liberal college and one of the big think tanks for evolution on the west coast. I found God during this time and later believed in evolution. So, how could I justify my faith if I believed in evolution? I continued to believe in God because I found him for myself through faith. Around 2011 for evolution and 2012 for the Bible, God led to me compare what he was saying in the Bible versus evolution. I found evolution started based on uniformitarianism vs catastrophism and started studying from there.

That's why I use this other video as evidence which I have posted several times, but it's important. It talks about all the people here in RF.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Just how old is old? I don't think WLC's arguments are old. This is a fairly recent video and it supports what I have been saying about God and time. It's part of philosophy which religious thinkers in the past whom I have listed have been arguing and they reached conclusions.

I get the feeling you're older than me. Does that mean that something old is wrong?

And just what does your quote address?

I provide good evidence, but you do not accept it; It doesn't move you to discover for yourself. What I have done is moved forward in a specific direction like the balloon the boy released, which supposedly went straight up. OTOH, you still await the evidence. I suppose you're still standing where you started in terms of God. And this is what I've been saying about that. You reap what you sew. What you believe or not believe will be what you'll have to deal with in the next life. This Muhammed Iqball is one of those who will help you when you need to find your way. That's why the video and I ask, is this all there is and all that there will be? Life is very short, so if this is all there is, then you should do more than just stand there and await the evidence on RF ha ha.

I thought differently from you when I was going to Cal. A liberal college and one of the big think tanks for evolution on the west coast. I found God during this time and later believed in evolution. So, how could I justify my faith if I believed in evolution? I continued to believe in God because I found him for myself through faith. Around 2011 for evolution and 2012 for the Bible, God led to me compare what he was saying in the Bible versus evolution. I found evolution started based on uniformitarianism vs catastrophism and started studying from there.

That's why I use this other video as evidence which I have posted several times, but it's important. It talks about all the people here in RF.

Dude, you've missed my point. The argument Craig is using is a classical argument. Being 'old' doesn't make it good OR bad. I was merely letting you know he's restating in modern terms a classical argument, first used by Islamic scholars (to the best of my knowledge, although some trace it back earlier to Aristotle). That's where the name for the argument came from.

Just as the argument is a classical one, so too are some of the rebuttals. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but since it is a classical argument, the simplest way to state my position on it is to offer a rebuttal which best matches to my thoughts.

The quote (translated) which I posted is from Muhammed Iqbal in direct response to the classical 'first cause' argument.

He was a Muslim poet and scholar at the forefront of the formation of Pakistan, an anti-secularist to boot. Very much a monotheist, but unconvinced by the argument based on first causes.

That's it. Nothing more than that.

 

[idav]

"Time is a game played beautifully by children." ~Heraclitus of Ephesus

"Time and tide wait for no man." ~Geoffrey Chaucer

Time. Just who is Father Time?

Whether one is rich or poor, everyone must spend time. It's something that happens whether one wants it to or not. It's something that passes before you even think about it. And what is time?

For scientific purposes, it is duration, measurement of distance divided by rate of speed, it is direction.

And when your time is up, then the Grim Reaper comes to take you away.

So who is Father Time? It's part of a dimension of spacetime. It can slow down as we approach the event horizon.

I would talk about Mother Nature, but the atheists seemd to have claimed her already.

It would be evidence of an attribute, mainly being eternal, as you mentioned the "slowing down" of time. Eternity being factual doesn't mean god did it but it's a start

 

[Looncall]

Common sense tells me that God exists. It is obvious to me. To think He does not exist is thinking I cannot understand.

You have my deepest sympathy for your incapacity.

 

[David T]

Is The Best Evidence For God Father Time?

I don't understand how 'time' is evidence for God even after reading the OP.

But on that subject, I think time is just our way of perceiving the universe. God/Brahman is above time in an eternal NOW. However, all of our basic thinking abilities are predicated upon a linear time progression so our traditional religions were predicated upon a God that experiences time also.

Confused yet

Thats actually totally incorrect. Traditional metaphysics in antiquity had two totally different concepts of time. In modernity time as defined in antiquity (chromos) became the defacto reality as generated by both the developemnt of the clock and science itself. It wasnt tlll Einstein that science had any other notion of time which was a totally backwater half witted uneducated notion starting with newtons era. There is a totally different notion of time in antiiquity called kairos even and especially the church has virtually no understanding of this concept at this moment.

 

[David T]

"Time is a game played beautifully by children." ~Heraclitus of Ephesus

"Time and tide wait for no man." ~Geoffrey Chaucer

Time. Just who is Father Time?

Whether one is rich or poor, everyone must spend time. It's something that happens whether one wants it to or not. It's something that passes before you even think about it. And what is time?

For scientific purposes, it is duration, measurement of distance divided by rate of speed, it is direction.

And when your time is up, then the Grim Reaper comes to take you away.

So who is Father Time? It's part of a dimension of spacetime. It can slow down as we approach the event horizon.

I would talk about Mother Nature, but the atheists seemd to have claimed her already.

Well its facinating you have no awareness of two distinct descritions of time in the bible and especially the new testament.but thats "normal". As ypu have anthropormorpized time you have selectively defaulted to a singular notion of time called chronos. So its all subjective cultural normal perspective in this regard driven but the sub conscious and influenced by culture.

 

[james bond]

Well its facinating you have no awareness of two distinct descritions of time in the bible and especially the new testament.but thats "normal". As ypu have anthropormorpized time you have selectively defaulted to a singular notion of time called chronos. So its all subjective cultural normal perspective in this regard driven but the sub conscious and influenced by culture.

Well, please give us the enlightenment of the two distinct descriptions of time in the Bible.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me.

So you concluded that the bible is the truth because the bible says so?