Is the Bible too Contradictory for All of it to be True?

[savagewind]

Should I believe that according to Peter if a branch is lopped off, the seeds on the branch do not perish with the branch?

 

[savagewind]

Since I agree with what you said, I did not miss the point.

I do not think so. When I said that salvation is linked to doing the will of God the best we can, YOU said that it is written that to obey the law is not about salvation, and I agree.

The Bible nowhere says salvation is obeying the best we can.

Gal 3:21 - Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life then righteousness would have indeed been based on the law.

Gal 2:16 say that 3 times. Then Gal 2:21, gives the logical reason.

We are declared righteous the same way Abram was---he believed God. God does not have a plan B.

Righteousness is not based on Law. It is about loving God. To love someone is to cling to that person. To cling means to go with that person. You can't go with God and NOT do the will of God.

 

[savagewind]

Does the Bible teach that if a branch is lopped off, the seeds on the branch do not perish with the branch?

Why won't people study. Once a person is saved, their salvation cannot be lost.

Read I Pet 1:23, then look up "imperishable," and the truth will suddenly be revealed to you.

Maybe we do not agree about what "once a person is saved" means.
Or maybe the branches that may be lopped off are not what hold you, the seed. Please tell me, how is that possible?

So, of course, I look up what the hell I am talking about and I found another surprise!

SEED is mentioned only once in the Greek Scriptures. Other places where seed is mentioned the word was added to it.

1 Peter 1:23

Strong's Greek 4701
1 Occurrence

σπορᾶς — 1 Occ.

1 Peter 1:23 N-GFS
GRK: οὐκ ἐκ σπορᾶς φθαρτῆς ἀλλὰ
NAS: for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable
KJV: corruptible seed, but
INT: not of seed perishable but

1 Occurrence

The difference in seed and grain is that grain means a food crop and seed is mentioned only once.

John 12:24

 

[Muffled]

It is difficult to be patient with the people who espouse the Bible above everything else when IN IT says that Jesus Christ will visit people. I can't believe that they think when Jesus visits people he won't say anything but "please let me in".

Revelation 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

I believe Jesus doesn't just visit. He comes in.

I believe Jesus doesn't say much (except on this site) but whatever He says is on the inside not coming from the outside for me. For yo it is coming from the outside on this site.

 

[savagewind]

I believe Jesus doesn't just visit. He comes in.

I believe Jesus doesn't say much (except on this site) but whatever He says is on the inside not coming from the outside for me. For yo it is coming from the outside on this site.

So, you know Jesus is not from the inside of me like Jesus is on the inside of you. How do you know this?

 

[omega2xx]

Oh brother. I say, "grow up". Peter does not say the seeds are imperishable. He says the SEED is imperishable.

quibble noted. However seed can also be plural.

 

[omega2xx]

I believe Jesus doesn't just visit. He comes in.

I believe Jesus doesn't say much (except on this site) but whatever He says is on the inside not coming from the outside for me. For yo it is coming from the outside on this site.

Dining is symbolic of fellowship. One of God's promises is that if we leave Him, become a prodigal, for some reason, we must return to Him, then He will return to us. We see this in the prodigal son. There is a famous painting of this verse but in the painting, the door only has one doorknob and it is on the inside.

Jesus knocking is a beautiful picture of what He wants to do---come back into the life of those who have shut Him out., But we must open the door.

Some present this verse as an invitation for salvation. In my opinion it is not. This is not addressed to non-believers but to self deluded Christians. It is an invitation to return to God for the fellowship we enjoyed at one time. It is similar to Mt 11:28 where Jesus say for us, Christians, to come to Him and He will give us rest for our soul.

 

[omega2xx]

I do not think so. When I said that salvation is linked to doing the will of God the best we can, YOU said that it is written that to obey the law is not about salvation, and I agree.



Righteousness is not based on Law. It is about loving God. To love someone is to cling to that person. To cling means to go with that person. You can't go with God and NOT do the will of God.

Salvation is about beieving in God, like Abram did. We can't love Jesus until we arr saved.

 

[savagewind]

Salvation is about beieving in God, like Abram did. We can't love Jesus until we arr saved.

I think you are arguing that salvation is only about believing God and isn't about doing God's will..... like Abraham did.

 

[savagewind]

quibble noted. However seed can also be plural.

A slight objection? You are funny. I do not know if you are being funny on purpose.

YOU say the seeds are imperishable. I say The Christ is imperishable. A slight objection?

 

[omega2xx]

I think you are arguing that salvation is only about believing God and isn't about doing God's will..... like Abraham did.

We are not interested in doing God's will unless were are already saved. Do you mean like him not telling Pharaoh that Sari was his sister, to save his own skin?

 

[savagewind]

We are not interested in doing God's will unless were are already saved.

OK. I do not know what this means. Can you explain it to us?

Do you mean like him not telling Pharaoh that Sari was his sister, to save his own skin?

I think that everything that God had written is for a purpose. God is not a historian fyi.
Are you saying that what Abraham did was not for some food for thought, therefore, God's will be done?

 

[savagewind]

I got baptized before I was saved. I think that baptism for me was God's will. What do you think about that compared to what you say, "we are not interested in doing God's will unless we are already saved"?

 

[savagewind]

@omega2xx Are you saying that saved means believing there IS God but has nothing to do with doing God's will?

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder

 

[omega2xx]

Does the Bible teach that if a branch is lopped off, the seeds on the branch do not perish with the branch?

If "lopped off" is a reference to a branch being pruned, there is nothing in that passage ab out seeds.

Maybe we do not agree about what "once a person is saved" means.

Once a person is saved, they can't lose their salvation.

Or maybe the branches that may be lopped off are not what hold you, the seed. Please tell me, how is that possible?

The branches in Jn 15:1-5 are not tree branches, they are grape vine branches. You can't sit on them.

So, of course, I look up what the hell I am talking about and I found another surprise!

SEED is mentioned only once in the Greek Scriptures. Other places where seed is mentioned the word was added to it.

1 Peter 1:23

Strong's Greek 4701
1 Occurrence

σπορᾶς — 1 Occ.

1 Peter 1:23 N-GFS
GRK: οὐκ ἐκ σπορᾶς φθαρτῆς ἀλλὰ
NAS: for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable
KJV: corruptible seed, but
INT: not of seed perishable but

1 Occurrence

The difference in seed and grain is that grain means a food crop and seed is mentioned only once.

John 12:24

I don't know what kind of Strong's you have, but mine has seed 26 times. 10 times is means sperm, 11 times it means seed, 4 times it refers to only a mustard seed and 1 time it is used metaphorically.

 

[omega2xx]

What are you talking about? Yes, I am born again in Christ. It does not make me imperishable like you say. Christ is imperishable.

If you have been born again, you have been born again of seed which is imperishable. If something is imperishable, it can't perish. One you have been born physically, you can't be unborn. What is true in our physical birth is also true in our spiritual birth.

 

[omega2xx]

Oh brother. I say, "grow up". Peter does not say the seeds are imperishable. He says the SEED is imperishable.

I say learn to read. Peter says YOU have been BORN AGAIN of an imperishable seed. This is not rocket surgery.

 

[omega2xx]

@omega2xx Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

The source principle l says that all living things are the product of their source.

"Born again" is literally "born from above," It is an allegory saying God is our Father. Since Jesus is God, He is the seed for which we were born spiritually.

God is the Father of lights(Jas 1:17). You are a light of the world(Mt 5:14). Therefore God is your Father. He caused you to be born again(I Pet 1:3). Since God can't die, those born again of His seed, which is imperishable, also cant' die spiritually,

 

[omega2xx]

A slight objection? You are funny. I do not know if you are being funny on purpose.

YOU say the seeds are imperishable.

I didn't say that, did.

I say The Christ is imperishable. A slight objection?

Christ is imperishable. He is the Holy seed from which all spiritual life comes. That is the source principle. Our true life is already in heaven(Col 3:3). When He is revealed again, our true live, our spiritual life, will be revealed also. Thank goodness we don't have to understand everything, we just have to believe what God says.

 

[omega2xx]

I got baptized before I was saved. I think that baptism for me was God's will. What do you think about that compared to what you say, "we are not interested in doing God's will unless we are already saved"?

Before we are saved, we do not even not what God's will is. What God says is foolishness to the unsaved and they CANNOT understand it(I Cor 2:14). Once we are saved, the Holy Spirit, starts teaching us to be obedient..