Curious George
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Perhaps we are getting closer...
World’s first head transplant volunteer could experience something "worse than death” - ScienceAlert
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Is the cosmos "fine-tuned"?
- Thread starter LegionOnomaMoi
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World’s first head transplant volunteer could experience something "worse than death” - ScienceAlert
In the same experiment please enquire "Who feels the sensation?"
I have seen very close people die on my arms. They do not feel anything if you touch their body. Although all the structures are still intact. The brain inside does not cry out "Let me live".
( This note may not mean anything for a non spiritual person, yet i record it because it is key for understanding that the forms of objects are different in different states of consciousness.
Body-brain is a form of waking state consciousness-awareness. Dream state bodies are of different quality. And in absence of an operating mind (in absence of thoughts), all forms disappear in homogeneous infinite sea of consciousness as in deep sleep).
No I do not. Does anyone know?
outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
Yes I do and so do you. Its why you do not jump off a tall building.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Brain cells without enough oxygen will begin to die after about four minutes.
Anoxic Brain Damage Information - The Mount Sinai Hospital
Unification
Well-Known Member
Human beings are not descended from a lower form of animal.
As far as human bodies are concerned...
That's another story.
Human bodies are animal.
Human bodies are animal and have many characteristics in common with the lower forms via genetics etc.
Evolution applies to human bodies.
GOD
The Human BEING was created by God to enter in the body when it has evolved to the proper status.
This is where so many err.
There is a BIG difference between a human BEING and a human BODY.
The same difference as a car and it's driver.
A human body evolves and a human being is created by God.
In other words:
Evolution IS intelligent design.
As far as human bodies are concerned...
That's another story.
Human bodies are animal.
Human bodies are animal and have many characteristics in common with the lower forms via genetics etc.
Evolution applies to human bodies.
GOD
The Human BEING was created by God to enter in the body when it has evolved to the proper status.
This is where so many err.
There is a BIG difference between a human BEING and a human BODY.
The same difference as a car and it's driver.
A human body evolves and a human being is created by God.
In other words:
Evolution IS intelligent design.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Of course they are.
There are no "lower" and "higher" forms, all evolved from the same common ancestor for the same number of years.
has not evidence of existing.
Can you support that statement with anything except Bronze Age quotes?
No, there is not.
Pretty shoddy workmanship, even for a mythical pixie.
That the sloppiest logic I've read today, and since I've been reading the forums for a couple hours ... that's going some.
Unification
Well-Known Member
In other words, one is speaking at the biological level of awareness and the body only and from that which is "accepted" and "theoretical," and by a "chance" that's as delusional as they come, not the spiritual or being level.
outhouse
Atheistically
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Wanna try English? That is entirely pure Erwin Cory.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yes, that's why strokes need urgent treatment.
That is true. But then your very example indicates that it is a machine working on oxygen as fuel and that is far from being the original source of awareness.
.........
It is okay. I do not expect you to contemplate and intuit diverse variety of consciousnesses that surround our bodies. The intuition will come someday automatically. The following is for the benefit of those who have allowed their minds to be flexible.
You think the shadow is the substance:
so to you the substance has become a cheap toy.
Wait until the day when that substance
freely unfolds its wings.
Then you will see the mountains become as soft as wool,
and this earth of heat and ice become as nothing;
you will see neither the sky nor the stars,
nor any existence but God - the One, the Living, the Loving.
~ Rumi
Some will say that what Rumi says is poetic BS. But some mighthave experienced this. The ego sense in man constraints the intelligence in such a manner that it believes that intelligence is localised in man's brain only. And when a man dies his intelligence, memory etc. vanish. Such ego-full men cannot even comprehend that an emergent intelligence cannot have power to determine truth of a proposition, since the intelligence in such case is arisen out of determined processes. The outcome of such thinking is futility. A chance birth due to sexual activity of parents, a life full of toil, and then an inevitable death. Those who propound such machine like origin of intelligence however keep fighting with others claiming that they know better than others. How? When the awareness is emergent from deterministic process, what is an individual? And how can his opinion be objective? But such is the nature of ego .. It will not pause to contemplate.
How different people are born with different qualities? How a new born joey, still blind, can find nipple of mother kangaroo all by itself? It is not that only humans are intelligent. Many forms of intelligence-awareness surround us, in form of variety of animals and plants ... and also as inert substances. But we have erroneously come to believe that intelligence arises in discrete inert bodies.
Consciousness surrounds us. We cannot see the tranquil ocean of consciousness. In it we mistake the reactions-experiences that arise temporally as the consciousness. We mistakenly label the experience as the consciousness. Our bodies and all other bodies are instruments of experiencing the all surrounding tranquil consciousness in millions of ways. A disappearance of a local centre of experiencing (so called death) means nothing but transformation. Objects come and go but the mind and the senses are eternal.
Our body and its apparent intelligence is like a window that seems to be the originator of sunshine to the one who has never seen the sun.
As long as we imagine ourselves to be the localised body-mind complex, we are tied to the chain of determinism. Regarding this the Buddha said:
"There is, O monks, an unborn, unoriginated, uncreated, unformed. Were there not, O monks, this unborn, unoriginated, uncreated, unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, created, formed. Since, O monks, there is an unborn, unoriginated, uncreated and unformed, therefore is there an escape from the born, originated, created, formed."
If the consciousness in us was not unborn then we would always be bound to the chain of determinism originating from the inert mechanism that (supposedly) engendered the consciousness.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
It's okay to disagree. I've learned many new things in the two weeks I've been reading here. I think anyone who comes to these boards must have an open mind, otherwise they wouldn't be here. The process of arguing is good. You crystallize ideas you didn't know you had, do research, and share information.
Hopefully, you are learning too. The respect for ideas is only mutual if both parties are capable of flexibility in their worldview.
Even if we disagree on the materialist/idealist concepts, your post was beautifully written.
Thanks K. Enjoyed interacting with you. Best wishes.
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
The concepts 'intelligent design' and 'evolution' mean different things to different people....while evolution is commonly defined, 'intelligent design' is not....there's the rub.
For example, here is a take from Theosophy from the 19th century that implies 'intelligent design' is behind 'evolution'....
"Analogously, preceding the materialization of a building such as a great cathedral, there must be a conception in the architect’s mind, followed by plans, followed by the actualization of the building from those plans. Thus an edifice has “evolved” from an idea. Or it may be defined as the coming into visibility of what was invisible, or the bringing into activity of something that was until then only a latent possibility.
The point is, whatever evolves must have some antecedent existence, whether mental or physical. The seed, according to Blavatsky, has within it an ideal design or plan (as Plato would have agreed), though each of its embodiments in nature is idiosyncratic and unique, since no tree or plant or leaf is identical to any other.
One might say that Blavatsky integrated the idea of evolution with the venerable idea of the universal hierarchy of being. Thus stated, the hierarchical principle is no longer rigid; it has become the working principle of a dynamic process involving all levels of being, “a progressive development toward a higher life.” In her emphasis on process, Blavatsky foreshadowed the present shift in science from static or structure-oriented to process-oriented thinking."
Thinking Aloud: Blavatsky on Evolution - Theosophical Society in America
Take those nice buildings made by some species of ants. Whose idea are those?
Ciao
- viole
outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
Worthless pseudoscience.