Is The Current Vitriol Within The Country Responsible For The DC Shootings?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And I agree, but my experience is that most people will not admit that they have a problem. That's the problem.

My impression from what I know of Hodgkinson's history is that the justice system probably had opportunities to force the issue if it wanted, and if the option was available.

 

[YmirGF]

My impression from what I know of Hodgkinson's history is that the justice system probably had opportunities to force the issue if it wanted, and if the option was available.

That such an option was not enforced is rather telling. My guess is that, under scrutiny, he was able to "present" appropriately.

 

[esmith]

What is the Southern Justice League?

Just so we're clear: when I said "of course", I was speaking specifically about Floyd Lee Corkins's actions. I can't find anything about this "Southern Justice League" either.

Sorry for some reason, my mind read one thing and my fingers typed something else. Who knows?
Anyhoo
It should be the Southern Poverty Law Center vice Southern Justice League
From

Corkins -- who had chosen the research council as his target after finding it listed as an anti-gay group on the website of the [URL='http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/us/us-southern-poverty-law-center-profile/index.html']Southern Poverty Law Center

-- had planned to stride into the building and open fire on the people inside in an effort to kill as many as possible, he told investigators, according to the court documents.

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sorry for some reason, my mind read one thing and my fingers typed something else. Who knows?
Anyhoo
It should be the Southern Poverty Law Center vice Southern Justice League
From
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/frc-shooter-sentenced-to-25-years-097069}Source[/url

In that case:

- of course I condemn Corkins.
- I certainly don't condemn the SPLC. They didn't condone violence.

The FRC IS an anti-gay group. There's nothing wrong with pointing this out, and pointing it out doesn't mean that you're telling anyone to go shoot it up.

 

[esmith]

In that case:

- of course I condemn Corkins.
- I certainly don't condemn the SPLC. They didn't condone violence.

The FRC IS an anti-gay group. There's nothing wrong with pointing this out, and pointing it out doesn't mean that you're telling anyone to go shoot it up.

If that is all they were doing at the time then I agree with you; However, since I did not seen the web page that Corkins viewed then I can't be sure. I have seen their current web page and I see nothing condoning violence.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If that is all they were doing at the time then I agree with you; However, since I did not seen the web page that Corkins viewed then I can't be sure. I have seen their current web page and I see nothing condoning violence.

Here you go:

Internet Archive: Wayback Machine

Pick whatever URL you want and see what dates are archived.

 

[esmith]

Here you go:

Internet Archive: Wayback Machine

Pick whatever URL you want and see what dates are archived.

Don't need/want to. I can't see them advocating violence after viewing current web page. All it did was give Corkins a target.

 

[tytlyf]

The FRC and Tony Perkins definitely are a hate group. I think Tony may be a Fox employee. These are GOP elitist insider groups. FRC = big time swamp. Don't let them fool you. Tony Perkins also has white supremacist ties.

 

[Akivah]

It seems like left-wing violence hasn't quite caught up with right-wing violence. But, it is getting there thanks to the rhetoric from the White House and supporters.

I'm sure it is nice for them to know, that they bear no personal responsibility for their own violence.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm sure it is nice for them to know, that they bear no personal responsibility for their own violence.

I take back what I said in my previous post. No one is responsible for violence perpetrated by others. No one on the right or left is responsible for the recent shooting during the congressional baseball practice except for the shooter himself. It is absolutely ludicrous to blame anyone but the actor himself. We have got to stop grouping people together with stereotypical language. It is destroying this country. Democrats are not all "liberals". Republicans are not all "conservatives". People have complicated views on both sides. For example, I agree with some conservative ideals and some liberal ideals. I am a registered independent. I have no respect for President Trump, but it doesn't really have anything to do with is political views or agenda. I am OK with anyone who disagrees with me politically, and I enjoy debating with them respectfully.

The rhetoric from the right and left must be cleaned up ASAP or violence from both sides won't stop.

 

[esmith]

I take back what I said in my previous post. No one is responsible for violence perpetrated by others. No one on the right or left is responsible for the recent shooting during the congressional baseball practice except for the shooter himself. It is absolutely ludicrous to blame anyone but the actor himself. .

I must disagree with you on your opinion for the following reason.
There are those out there, like Hodgkinson, that have serious issues and possible mental issues. In my opinion anyone that is like Hodgkinson that holds such animosity against, in this case, a political party and is constantly bombarded with highly negative comments like "he is another Hitler, their program will kill people, they shove grandmaw over a cliff, and others comments can possible justify to themselves that something must be done to stop them and I can and will do it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I must disagree with you on your opinion for the following reason.
There are those out there, like Hodgkinson, that have serious issues and possible mental issues. In my opinion anyone that is like Hodgkinson that holds such animosity against, in this case, a political party and is constantly bombarded with highly negative comments like "he is another Hitler, their program will kill people, they shove grandmaw over a cliff, and others comments can possible justify to themselves that something must be done to stop them and I can and will do it.

Both of my grandmothers passed away long before Trump took office, but his programs have killed people already and his current proposals stand to kill many more.

As for Hitler... Trump early on has similarities with Hitler early on (though some differences as well). How similar will they be over the long run? Time will tell.

It seems to me that you're just criticizing people on the left for describing things accurately.

BTW: just how bad would someone need to be before you would be okay with a Hitler comparison?

 

[esmith]

Both of my grandmothers passed away long before Trump took office, but his programs have killed people already and his current proposals stand to kill many more.

As for Hitler... Trump early on has similarities with Hitler early on (though some differences as well). How similar will they be over the long run? Time will tell.

Got any facts about your claim that President Trumps programs have killed and will kill people. Other that military actions of course

It seems to me that you're just criticizing people on the left for describing things accurately.

Naw, first of all I haven't heard any accurate statements for Dem's for a long time.
Second any criticism of Dem's is well deserved.

BTW: just how bad would someone need to be before you would be okay with a Hitler comparison?

How about exterminating over 6 million innocent civilians. That would do it.

 

[idav]

How about exterminating over 6 million innocent civilians. That would do it.

Ok so nobody is a fascist unless they genocide 6million or more. Comparisons to fascism don't require concentration camps. Trump like hitler, thinks their stuff don't ever stink.

 

[esmith]

Ok so nobody is a fascist unless they genocide 6million or more. Comparisons to fascism don't require concentration camps. Trump like hitler, thinks their stuff don't ever stink.

No you said Hitler.
Here I'll be nice and show you

BTW: just how bad would someone need to be before you would be okay with a Hitler comparison?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Got any facts about your claim that President Trumps programs have killed and will kill people. Other that military actions of course

Ah... moving the goalposts. One of his actions I was going to mention was his botched attack in Yemen.

Besides that, there's the arms deal with the Saudis (happened) and the repeal of Obamacare (promised). Both of these actions of his are going to have a huge cost in lives.

Naw, first of all I haven't heard any accurate statements for Dem's for a long time.

Sure you haven't. And I'm not a Democrat.

How about exterminating over 6 million innocent civilians. That would do it.

The scale of the Holocaust wasn't really known until the end of the war. So in your mind, not even Hitler while he was in power would have warranted being called Hitler?

 

[Underhill]

I take back what I said in my previous post. No one is responsible for violence perpetrated by others. No one on the right or left is responsible for the recent shooting during the congressional baseball practice except for the shooter himself. It is absolutely ludicrous to blame anyone but the actor himself. We have got to stop grouping people together with stereotypical language. It is destroying this country. Democrats are not all "liberals". Republicans are not all "conservatives". People have complicated views on both sides. For example, I agree with some conservative ideals and some liberal ideals. I am a registered independent. I have no respect for President Trump, but it doesn't really have anything to do with is political views or agenda. I am OK with anyone who disagrees with me politically, and I enjoy debating with them respectfully.

The rhetoric from the right and left must be cleaned up ASAP or violence from both sides won't stop.

Responsible for the act, probably not. Responsible for not working to fix the endemic problems that allow people like him the tools to carry out such things? Certainly.

 

[esmith]

Ah... moving the goalposts. One of his actions I was going to mention was his botched attack in Yemen.

Depends on your definition of "botched".

Besides that, there's the arms deal with the Saudis (happened) and the repeal of Obamacare (promised). Both of these actions of his are going to have a huge cost in lives.

Arms deal with the Saudis? Must be your opinion showing vice facts.
Repeal of Obamacare, again your opinion showing vice facts. Sounds like you do not want anything done about the failing Obamacare fiasco.

Sure you haven't. And I'm not a Democrat.

Sure sound like one

The scale of the Holocaust wasn't really known until the end of the war. So in your mind, not even Hitler while he was in power would have warranted being called Hitler?

So doing what warrants being labeled a "Hitler" if you remove the Holocaust. You do realize don't you that what was being done to the Jewish population was known, that is other than the death camps.

 

[Stevicus]

Both of my grandmothers passed away long before Trump took office, but his programs have killed people already and his current proposals stand to kill many more.

As for Hitler... Trump early on has similarities with Hitler early on (though some differences as well). How similar will they be over the long run? Time will tell.

It seems to me that you're just criticizing people on the left for describing things accurately.

BTW: just how bad would someone need to be before you would be okay with a Hitler comparison?

Trump as Hitler is "describing things accurately"? Really? I can see it as a point of satire or an exaggerated form of political mudslinging, but I didn't really think that people literally believed it.

As for how bad someone would need to be before a Hitler comparison is appropriate? If we're talking about Hitler, it would have to be pretty bad, don't you think?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Depends on your definition of "botched".

Here's a good illustrative example:

Here’s what we know: Casualties were suffered — by our military, Yemeni civilians, and an American child. An expensive military aircraft had to be destroyed to prevent it falling into enemy hands and becoming an intelligence windfall for the possessors or whichever country they might sell it to. President Donald Trump reportedly authorized the raid over dinner with Secretary of Defense James Mattis, rather than being thoroughly briefed in the White House Situation Room. Some in the intelligence community suggest the information retrieved did not merit the effort. Faced with criticism, Trump blamed former President Barack Obama’s administration and “the generals” for the raid and then made outsized claims of success and showcased a grieving military widow in his speech to a joint session of Congress.

Donald Trump Needs to Own the Yemen Raid

- a SEAL dead
- civilians dead
- an American helicopter destroyed by Americans to stop it from falling into enemy hands
- by all reports I've seen, no clear sign that anything of value was obtained from the raid

Arms deal with the Saudis? Must be your opinion showing vice facts.

Or maybe you're just not keeping up wity the news:

Saudi Arabia was the first stop on Trump's first international trip this week, and he marked the visit by announcing the arms deal in Riyadh on May 20. Saudi Arabia agreed to by $110 billion of U.S. arms, with options running as high as $350 billion over 10 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-arms-congress-idUSKBN18L2XN

Repeal of Obamacare, again your opinion showing vice facts.

People routinely were refused health insurance before 2014

Sounds like you do not want anything done about the failing Obamacare fiasco.

On the contrary: Obamacare has some serious flaws; it was just the best that Obama could get passed while working with Republicans.

I look forward to the day when the US injects some sanity into its health care system by providing universal, government-funded health insurance.

Sure sound like one

Heck, no. I'm not right-wing enough to be a Democrat.

So doing what warrants being labeled a "Hitler" if you remove the Holocaust.

Behaving like Hitler, obviously.

You do realize don't you that what was being done to the Jewish population was known, that is other than the death camps.

Of course. Do YOU realize that Hitler was being called an authoritarian, a fascist, and a tyrant long before the Holocaust began?